WENGER OUT

Re: WENGER OUT

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:32 am

theHotHead wrote:You say all of this but yet SAF who was at Man U for longer and was older than Wenger and even more unsackable managed to change with the times and adopt different tactics over that time.

Like I said, Wenger is a one trick pony.


Yup ....

SAF whilst manager at Utd got himself a decent set of race horses, he was often to be found at mid-week meets ... he also amassed a great collection of fine wines, taking legendary trips around Europe collecting them ... so where did he find the time?

He had more coaching specialists than any other manager at that time, he only personally took Friday training, and often wasn't even at traininge during the week, he didn't negotiate contracts just signed them, he didn't scout players or meet their mum and dad for a cup-of-tea, he didn't overpay failures he kicked them out, he didn't allow 'chav' behaviour or temper tantrums (except his own) ...

and

Despite his last year's success he still arguably stayed two or three years to long and left Utd in a right old mess ....

Arsene is nearly a decade past his sell-by date - in another two years we won't just be in a mess. we'll be well and truly fecked' ....
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby elkanofan » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:10 am

I said it once a while ago, i said it recently and i said it after this disgusting Perez treatment fiasco and the typical spineless display last saturday.

We will never win the league again under Wenger! My only hope this year is a Europa League win, shows what level we are as a club now!
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Nuggets » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:57 am

elkanofan wrote:I said it once a while ago, i said it recently and i said it after this disgusting Perez treatment fiasco and the typical spineless display last saturday.

We will never win the league again under Wenger! My only hope this year is a Europa League win, shows what level we are as a club now!


How the mighty have fallen, this is what we have become under that despicable senile old has been Wonga, yet some people still defend him? :BangHead: :BangHead:
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Angelito » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:02 am

Angelito wrote:Wenger isn't a one-trick pony. He's just been in the same environment for far too long resulting in complacency. He also seems to have stopped learning for nearly a decade now. Exceptions apart, if you stick to the same job for over two decades, you're bound to go stale. Wenger's ideas, philosophy, and ideologies aren't challenged at Arsenal. He runs the place and he's become drunk with the power he enjoys at Arsenal.

If you work at the same place for over two decades non-stop, no breaks ever - when will you get the time to reflect and look back at your life, career, mistakes? If Wenger were a company CEO, he could hire the best minds or take time off before resuming services, read, and do stuff. But he's not. He's in a hands-on job. Wenger is a class manager who seems to succeed when he's working in a partnership. It appears that he goes haywire when he has full authority.

Sadly, at Arsenal, we complement Wenger's stagnation and refusal to learn, if anything. No other club repeats the same mistake every summer for 8 transfer windows in a row.


I'm sorry to say that this board's comprehension level and ability to think before posting is at an all-time low.


elkanofan wrote:I said it once a while ago, i said it recently and i said it after this disgusting Perez treatment fiasco and the typical spineless display last saturday.

We will never win the league again under Wenger! My only hope this year is a Europa League win, shows what level we are as a club now!


Yeah, I'm only interested in the EL this season. Don't care much for the Prem. In fact, I'm looking forward to our FA Cup campaign more than our league challenge. At least, there is a reason to hope.

I'm baffled by the Lucas situation (maybe not). He's much, much better than all of our wingers bar Alexis, but the way Wenger has treated him.. Shameful.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Nuggets » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:06 am

Angelito wrote:
Angelito wrote:Wenger isn't a one-trick pony. He's just been in the same environment for far too long resulting in complacency. He also seems to have stopped learning for nearly a decade now. Exceptions apart, if you stick to the same job for over two decades, you're bound to go stale. Wenger's ideas, philosophy, and ideologies aren't challenged at Arsenal. He runs the place and he's become drunk with the power he enjoys at Arsenal.

If you work at the same place for over two decades non-stop, no breaks ever - when will you get the time to reflect and look back at your life, career, mistakes? If Wenger were a company CEO, he could hire the best minds or take time off before resuming services, read, and do stuff. But he's not. He's in a hands-on job. Wenger is a class manager who seems to succeed when he's working in a partnership. It appears that he goes haywire when he has full authority.

Sadly, at Arsenal, we complement Wenger's stagnation and refusal to learn, if anything. No other club repeats the same mistake every summer for 8 transfer windows in a row.


I'm sorry to say that this board's comprehension level and ability to think before posting is at an all-time low.


elkanofan wrote:I said it once a while ago, i said it recently and i said it after this disgusting Perez treatment fiasco and the typical spineless display last saturday.

We will never win the league again under Wenger! My only hope this year is a Europa League win, shows what level we are as a club now!


Yeah, I'm only interested in the EL this season. Don't care much for the Prem. In fact, I'm looking forward to our FA Cup campaign more than our league challenge. At least, there is a reason to hope.

I'm baffled by the Lucas situation (maybe not). He's much, much better than all of our wingers bar Alexis, but the way Wenger has treated him.. Shameful.


With Wonga its personalities not principles, despite the fact that he is better than most of what we have if Wonga has something against him he won't / didn't give him a chance, childish old fool.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Interest: waning » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:54 am

Get this old man out of the club NOW.

I hope the protests and toxicity get 50 times more amplified over the coming months. #WENGEROUT

Keep the hashtag trending EVERYWHERE.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby theHotHead » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:25 pm

Angelito wrote:
Angelito wrote:Wenger isn't a one-trick pony. He's just been in the same environment for far too long resulting in complacency. He also seems to have stopped learning for nearly a decade now. Exceptions apart, if you stick to the same job for over two decades, you're bound to go stale. Wenger's ideas, philosophy, and ideologies aren't challenged at Arsenal. He runs the place and he's become drunk with the power he enjoys at Arsenal.

If you work at the same place for over two decades non-stop, no breaks ever - when will you get the time to reflect and look back at your life, career, mistakes? If Wenger were a company CEO, he could hire the best minds or take time off before resuming services, read, and do stuff. But he's not. He's in a hands-on job. Wenger is a class manager who seems to succeed when he's working in a partnership. It appears that he goes haywire when he has full authority.

Sadly, at Arsenal, we complement Wenger's stagnation and refusal to learn, if anything. No other club repeats the same mistake every summer for 8 transfer windows in a row.


I'm sorry to say that this board's comprehension level and ability to think before posting is at an all-time low.

Yawn.

Name other managers in recent football history that have been the manager of a big club with big expectations for 20+ years.

I don't expect you to be able to produce many if any names, so having a very small number of names to choose from YOU cannot pick and choose "exceptions".

Think you will find my reading comprehension is just fine.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby immsun » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:39 pm

Baffling to see really.

He just had his most disappointing Season simply because of Average player's he has like Walcott and Welbeck and yet he hasn't offloaded them and Signed new ones with actual Quality.

He let Perez go instead of Walcott. This is called Madness.

Didn't sign a midfielder and a CB. Even more baffling.

Signed laca and is playing him with Welbeck and Ramsey. Horrendous.

Where the fuk is Quality in our squad apart from Sanchez, Ozil, Kos,Cech and Laca??????


Cant he see it. How hard is it to see it i mean. The failure's are there to see Season after season with these players but he simply doesn't buy Qualify.

Fed up with this non business and seeing bang average players like Walcott,Welbeck,Ramsey, etc.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Interest: waning » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:49 pm

We are the only club that cannot sell players. When we do miraculously sell them, it's for pathetic 1999 fees.

f**k this club and all the management.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby immsun » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:54 pm

Interest: waning wrote:We are the only club that cannot sell players. When we do miraculously sell them, it's for pathetic 1999 fees.

f**k this club and all the management.

And we keep playing them in hope and that somehow Bronze will turn into gold someday which is what Wenger thinks of Walcott, Welbeck and Ramsey.
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:58 pm

Wenger isn't a one trick pony. At his prime, he was able to create a beautiful counterattacking team, and able to transition that team into a possession based team that was also very effective.

He was able to play with strikers like Henry, but also won trophies before getting strikers like Henry, who were good, but not great.

There is no one constant figure in his success till 2004, except Wenger himself.

The stadium debt issue came up at possibly the worst time. We broke up our best team and moved into a new stadium. Here Wenger made his first critical mistake, putting too much trust in youth. It is perfectly possibly for some top players to be very good well beyond the age of 30. We let go of too many of our older players, and put faith in youth.

Here Wenger showed he wasn't a one trick pony by bringing up some of the best youth talents around. Sadly, here, we lost our way because of the board being absolutely unwilling to invest and take some risk when the stadium project was going on. We could have won the league with those players, but the board and Wenger did not take the risk

And that's the mentality that has never really gone away, even with Ozil and Sanchez signed. We're unwilling and now it seems we're unable to go that extra mile, take that extra risk to get the team over the line. Lacazette two seasons ago would have won us the league. Buying a good CM this season or last season would make us favourites again. But this team has lost its way, and change is needed. Wenger isn't a one trick pony, and he never has been, but his time is gone. We see it all the time with people who were great, they are unable to change at times. Wenger changed once in his life with the youth project, to expect a second change at his age was always asking too much.

As for those saying he should resign, in his view, he's probably doing his best. Flawed people who've been in the same environment for too long can't see the same flaws that those outside might see. And that's why we need fresh blood in at every level at the club. It's not just Wenger, it's our scouting team. Who was the last real gem that we unearthed?

It's time to go, but he will remain possibly one of our greatest managers. One who the board kept on too long
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby PairyGrows » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:13 pm

rammixp wrote:The club as a whole is run so poorly. The above could have and should have been managed by the board and CEO of Arsenal FC but they are not doing their jobs. No other club would allow this type of culture and repeated failure to continue. Arsenal as an organisation have got far to comfortable with the status quo, no one is challenging Wenger/footballing staff and there is zero accountability.


This is something that pops to my mind every time I hear about the multitude of offers Wenger has allegedly turned down in order to stay at Arsenal. While there may have been offers from other clubs, I believe the situation to be much less straight-forward than what we've been led to believe.

Wenger is living his dream at Arsenal. He gets to combine his expertise in economics with his passion for football, and, most importantly, he gets to do so in a non-contentious environment. Wenger gets to do as he pleases without any real pressure from anyone at the club. No one dares question Arsene's authority in anything football-related - after all, he knows everything, doesn't he?

However, he will never get to work under such circumstances at any elite club. These clubs will have three or four people doing the job he does at Arsenal. These people will question Wenger's authority and confront him. He will be held accountable for his decisions, and if he doesn't deliver, he'll be shown the door. Most likely he'll make less money at those clubs than what he makes at Arsenal.

As much as Wenger may be tempted to try his wings at other clubs, it'll be too risky for him. He doesn't have to prove anyone he's a great manager - his CV speaks for itself. He knows no club is prepared to meet his demands, and he's not too keen on working in a more restricted environment himself. So, he'll say to himself, why leave? He has everything to lose but nothing to gain.

Ask yourselves: would you put your reputation on the line and accept a new challenge if you had far more to lose than to gain? Furthermore, would you do it if you knew you'd have your dream job (which would pay better than the new one) as long as you wanted?
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby Tubbs » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:17 pm

We are going backwards every season it's sickening to see what's happening to our club, all these false promises to shut us fans up Wenger try's to constantly pull the wool over our eyes with his comments.
Everything is wrong and needs sorting but it won't while we have no real change and if we are all honest that change is not coming......
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby immsun » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:26 pm

Bull Shit posts above 2.

You don't stay somewhere for 20 years unless you love that place and has Passion for it.

Wenger is not in for Money lol. Stupidity to think like this. He would have earned far more at psg or Madrid .
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Re: WENGER OUT

Postby gooney » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:45 pm

The funniest thing is all his top players are refusing to extend as they dont believe in him and instead of taking look in the mirror, he says this is normal and will be normal in the future. its never his fault.
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