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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby firfi » Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:53 pm

Salibatelli wrote:130 million is a crazy amount, Rice is worth nowhere near that.

That list won’t have us challenging for the title either, Man City and Liverpool are miles ahead and those players aren’t going to change that.

Jesus isn’t wanted at City and has never been that good for them, they’ve already signed a huge upgrade on him and have another forward from South America as well.

If you want to get closer to City and Liverpool, don’t sign players they don’t want that haven’t really done a lot with them despite years with them.

Toney isn’t much do a scorer either, as for Hickey he’s pretty unproven, he’s very young and had a nightmare against Ukraine the other day, I think it will take him a few years to get up to speed.

Then on top of that those clubs have Guardiola and Klopp, we’ve got Arteta.


I'd say Rice would walk into City and Pool's squad easily maybe the only player thats box to box / defensive midfielder better than him in PL is Rodri.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:30 pm

We need to go all out on a match winner, and that means a CF.

Rice is the kind of player that you buy when the squad is already a well oiled machine. We don't have that. We have a 2011-quality midfield, and we need an RVP type that can find 3 points singlehandedly.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby firfi » Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:05 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:We need to go all out on a match winner, and that means a CF.

Rice is the kind of player that you buy when the squad is already a well oiled machine. We don't have that. We have a 2011-quality midfield, and we need an RVP type that can find 3 points singlehandedly.

The current "meta" of football basically is if u don't win midfield or can't match the enemy your bound to lose more often than not.We're not missing that many chances that we really lack that CF , rather get Rice to control the midfield and battle vs every team than having a striker that scores 15~~ish ,but we can't match any good team in return.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Hypergooner » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:05 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:We need to go all out on a match winner, and that means a CF.

Rice is the kind of player that you buy when the squad is already a well oiled machine. We don't have that. We have a 2011-quality midfield, and we need an RVP type that can find 3 points singlehandedly.


All the best PL winning teams, build around a solid spine. We have a quality keeper, quality CB, average CM no striker. Add Rice to our midfield and a quality striker, we'd be knocking on doors
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Santi » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:05 pm

Yeah but assuming we only get one, I’d take the CF.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Hypergooner » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:10 pm

firfi wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:130 million is a crazy amount, Rice is worth nowhere near that.

That list won’t have us challenging for the title either, Man City and Liverpool are miles ahead and those players aren’t going to change that.

Jesus isn’t wanted at City and has never been that good for them, they’ve already signed a huge upgrade on him and have another forward from South America as well.

If you want to get closer to City and Liverpool, don’t sign players they don’t want that haven’t really done a lot with them despite years with them.

Toney isn’t much do a scorer either, as for Hickey he’s pretty unproven, he’s very young and had a nightmare against Ukraine the other day, I think it will take him a few years to get up to speed.

Then on top of that those clubs have Guardiola and Klopp, we’ve got Arteta.


I'd say Rice would walk into City and Pool's squad easily maybe the only player thats box to box / defensive midfielder better than him in PL is Rodri.


£130m isn't crazy if his contribution got us back in CL consistently. He runs games on his own at West Ham. I believe he is the exact type of player we have been missing since Vieira left!
With him and a striker, we would have a spine wirth building a squad around.

Jesus is a quality player. He's still young and has been playing in the best team in the PL. He would be a good signing and a huge upgrade for us. We would need a Plan B though.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:51 am

Hypergooner wrote:
£130m isn't crazy if his contribution got us back in CL consistently. He runs games on his own at West Ham. I believe he is the exact type of player we have been missing since Vieira left!
With him and a striker, we would have a spine wirth building a squad around.

Jesus is a quality player. He's still young and has been playing in the best team in the PL. He would be a good signing and a huge upgrade for us. We would need a Plan B though.


It is crazy. We need a goalscorer. Rice for crazy money would be repeating the mistake of last season, which was overspending in a single area to the detriment of everything else.

Obv we will not get Rice, but in general, we cannot be spending massively on anything but the gaping hole in the attack.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby firfi » Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:24 am

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Hypergooner wrote:
£130m isn't crazy if his contribution got us back in CL consistently. He runs games on his own at West Ham. I believe he is the exact type of player we have been missing since Vieira left!
With him and a striker, we would have a spine wirth building a squad around.

Jesus is a quality player. He's still young and has been playing in the best team in the PL. He would be a good signing and a huge upgrade for us. We would need a Plan B though.


It is crazy. We need a goalscorer. Rice for crazy money would be repeating the mistake of last season, which was overspending in a single area to the detriment of everything else.

Obv we will not get Rice, but in general, we cannot be spending massively on anything but the gaping hole in the attack.


We can all agree what we're missing is stable midfield and world class players ye?We have 0 top level players even let alone world class.Rice is top level player at least maybe in few years world class even and i can't think of a single strinker that would join a team without constant CL football that is considered a top striker.

And oh yea i know we're never getting Rice in a million years when our budget is 100-120m and we need 5 players not 1.We would probably end up getting Tielemans + Gnabry/Jesus + Hickey and thats it.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Hypergooner » Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:50 am

firfi wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Hypergooner wrote:
£130m isn't crazy if his contribution got us back in CL consistently. He runs games on his own at West Ham. I believe he is the exact type of player we have been missing since Vieira left!
With him and a striker, we would have a spine wirth building a squad around.

Jesus is a quality player. He's still young and has been playing in the best team in the PL. He would be a good signing and a huge upgrade for us. We would need a Plan B though.


It is crazy. We need a goalscorer. Rice for crazy money would be repeating the mistake of last season, which was overspending in a single area to the detriment of everything else.

Obv we will not get Rice, but in general, we cannot be spending massively on anything but the gaping hole in the attack.


We can all agree what we're missing is stable midfield and world class players ye?We have 0 top level players even let alone world class.Rice is top level player at least maybe in few years world class even and i can't think of a single strinker that would join a team without constant CL football that is considered a top striker.

And oh yea i know we're never getting Rice in a million years when our budget is 100-120m and we need 5 players not 1.We would probably end up getting Tielemans + Gnabry/Jesus + Hickey and thats it.


You are probably right, that is all we'll get.
For me one of our biggest mistakes in the transfer market, is worrying too much about price. We don't seem to care when it's the other way round and we sell for pennies!
If a player or players, will move us forward, they are worth the money. World class players bring world class advertising rights. They also propell teams in to the top competitions for top TV revenue.
We need to get the right players, but we also need to get the ones that are the best at what they do, that can be persuaded to play outside CL. If that means spending a bit over the odds, go out and do it. Or we will never move forwards!
It's important to remember that we only finished a few points behind 3rd as we are. Get in some quality and they will pay for themselves if we finish 3rd or 4th next season
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:40 pm

firfi wrote:We can all agree what we're missing is stable midfield and world class players ye?We have 0 top level players even let alone world class.Rice is top level player at least maybe in few years world class even and i can't think of a single strinker that would join a team without constant CL football that is considered a top striker.

And oh yea i know we're never getting Rice in a million years when our budget is 100-120m and we need 5 players not 1.We would probably end up getting Tielemans + Gnabry/Jesus + Hickey and thats it.


We have a gap in quality in midfield, agreed. But we can slog through another year with Xhaka/Elneny, Tielemans, Partey and Odegaard.

What we can't slog through is going into 4 competitions without replacing the 2 forwards with > 160 goals between them.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby ag6789 » Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:22 pm

Our midfield is midtable at best. Won't be able to hold on to even 5th-6th if we don't upgrade this summer.
A quality striker and a quality CM is a MUST.
I'm hoping the academy kids Patino and Azeez also come good on top of that
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:05 am

£130m for Rice is pure stupidity, not even KDB is worth that.

Remember, he is a CM, not attacker. Pogba in his pomp sold for £89m 3 seasons ago and he could walk into ANY team in the world.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Hypergooner » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:08 am

theHotHead wrote:£130m for Rice is pure stupidity, not even KDB is worth that.

Remember, he is a CM, not attacker. Pogba in his pomp sold for £89m 3 seasons ago and he could walk into ANY team in the world.


Value is about what they can bring to the club!

It's easy when it's not my money and the benefit of hindsight, but we have been a financial mess for years now. We have been selling for pennies, falling out of CL, loosing our global appeal and loosing branding revenue due to our frugality and "sustainable" model. It's been getting worse since Henry left in 2007, or maybe vieira in 2005. More kids buy PSG shirts than Arsenal shirts these days. Not because they are good, or in a good league. Just because of the poster boy players.
If we had gone out and bought a poster boy striker to replace Henry, a poster CM to replace Vieira, we would be in a different position now. We can blame the stadium, but we could have paid it off alot quicker had we been winning things and making money from superstar shirt sales etc.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby swipe right » Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:25 am

Hypergooner wrote:
theHotHead wrote:£130m for Rice is pure stupidity, not even KDB is worth that.

Remember, he is a CM, not attacker. Pogba in his pomp sold for £89m 3 seasons ago and he could walk into ANY team in the world.


Value is about what they can bring to the club!

It's easy when it's not my money and the benefit of hindsight, but we have been a financial mess for years now. We have been selling for pennies, falling out of CL, loosing our global appeal and loosing branding revenue due to our frugality and "sustainable" model. It's been getting worse since Henry left in 2007, or maybe vieira in 2005. More kids buy PSG shirts than Arsenal shirts these days. Not because they are good, or in a good league. Just because of the poster boy players.
If we had gone out and bought a poster boy striker to replace Henry, a poster CM to replace Vieira, we would be in a different position now. We can blame the stadium, but we could have paid it off alot quicker had we been winning things and making money from superstar shirt sales etc.

Cesc, van Persie, Ozil, all sold lots of shirts. Our problem was never one off marque players. Out problem has been a quality squad that can mount a 38 game campaign.
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Re: 2022 Summer Transfer Window

Postby Hypergooner » Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:06 am

swipe right wrote:
Hypergooner wrote:
theHotHead wrote:£130m for Rice is pure stupidity, not even KDB is worth that.

Remember, he is a CM, not attacker. Pogba in his pomp sold for £89m 3 seasons ago and he could walk into ANY team in the world.


Value is about what they can bring to the club!

It's easy when it's not my money and the benefit of hindsight, but we have been a financial mess for years now. We have been selling for pennies, falling out of CL, loosing our global appeal and loosing branding revenue due to our frugality and "sustainable" model. It's been getting worse since Henry left in 2007, or maybe vieira in 2005. More kids buy PSG shirts than Arsenal shirts these days. Not because they are good, or in a good league. Just because of the poster boy players.
If we had gone out and bought a poster boy striker to replace Henry, a poster CM to replace Vieira, we would be in a different position now. We can blame the stadium, but we could have paid it off alot quicker had we been winning things and making money from superstar shirt sales etc.

Cesc, van Persie, Ozil, all sold lots of shirts. Our problem was never one off marque players. Out problem has been a quality squad that can mount a 38 game campaign.


Take your point on one off players, but Henry and RVP left because we weren't bringing in players to match their ability. If we had stopped going on about the cost of a world class CM etc. at the time, we would have been competing to their level and winning things.
My point is, price shouldn't stop us getting the players we need. We would make the money back in the success or shirt sales etc, they bring with them.

Ie. We buy Declan Rice and a quality striker this summer for silly money, lots of the transfer fee would be repaid in media, shirts and global appeal. The other player would raise their level and in theory, we would make up the few points difference that saw us miss out on 3rd this season. CL and additional TV revenues mean they have paid off the additional transfer fee in half their contract term

The alternative is what we have done for the last 15 years. Struggling through but slowly declining
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