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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Özim » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:01 pm

We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:30 pm

Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Ach » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:39 pm

Do you just ignore actual league positions?
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:50 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby swipe right » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:22 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Rockape wrote:Has anyone ever been to Speakers corner and seen the crazeeees standing on their soap boxes, wild eyed and shouting their weird messages to the people? A few people stop and stare in wonder, whilst the rest hurry past, looking the other way.

Jay is the deluded Preacher of GW.


Yeah - and you and your doomer pals are like the guy on the street wearing a sandwich board shouting 'the end is nigh'.

;)

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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby TedLasso » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:53 pm

What about the last 38 games? Thats a full prem season, why not use that as a sample?

Oh it’s because it includes losses you dont want to count. Weird.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby TedLasso » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:18 am

Since January 1st, 2021, Arsenal has the 5th highest points per game in the Premier League (1.86). It's true that Arsenal is up at the top over the last 31 games. But let's look at the sample in different waves.

Arsenal's Points and Standing

Last 15 Games: 29pts (3rd)
Last 30: 54pts (5th)
Last 45: 71pts (9th)

There's a clear trajectory of improvement recently, which is a positive sign. But the wider the sample gets, the worse we look.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:20 am

TedLasso wrote:Since January 1st, 2021, Arsenal has the 5th highest points per game in the Premier League (1.86). It's true that Arsenal is up at the top over the last 31 games. But let's look at the sample in different waves.

Arsenal's Points and Standing

Last 15 Games: 29pts (3rd)
Last 30: 54pts (5th)
Last 45: 71pts (9th)

There's a clear trajectory of improvement recently, which is a positive sign. But the wider the sample gets, the worse we look.


Anything prior to this season is irrelevant - a billion pounds was spent by clubs to massively change lineups - three teams left and three teams joined the EPL - why would you then compare our results against teams, and players, who no longer participate in the EPL?

The only thing that matters is the EPL table THIS SEASON ... we are not top three, not top six, not even eighth, we're feckin' eleventh ... that IS NOT an improvement, no amount of leprechaun statistics and unicorn comparisons will change that fact.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby TedLasso » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:12 am

Its reasonable to look at how teams perform over longer stretches, even those that include transfer windows.

To dismiss them outright is as moronic as cherry picking data to prove a (poorly thought out) point.

Personally, Ive never gotten my knickers in a twist at the league table in October. Not even a quarter of the way through.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby LMAO » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:01 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Rockape wrote:Has anyone ever been to Speakers corner and seen the crazeeees standing on their soap boxes, wild eyed and shouting their weird messages to the people? A few people stop and stare in wonder, whilst the rest hurry past, looking the other way.

Jay is the deluded Preacher of GW.


Yeah - and you and your doomer pals are like the guy on the street wearing a sandwich board shouting 'the end is nigh'.

;)

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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:09 am

TedLasso wrote:Since January 1st, 2021, Arsenal has the 5th highest points per game in the Premier League (1.86). It's true that Arsenal is up at the top over the last 31 games. But let's look at the sample in different waves.

Arsenal's Points and Standing

Last 15 Games: 29pts (3rd)
Last 30: 54pts (5th)
Last 45: 71pts (9th)

There's a clear trajectory of improvement recently, which is a positive sign. But the wider the sample gets, the worse we look.


Exactly.
We've been getting better.
The signs are positive - and they have been for some time.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:23 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby swipe right » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:37 am

jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.

So we have top four form while the teams that actually finished top four last season, and are top four after the start of this season, don’t? :think:
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:47 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:We’ve not being doing well, as many people have told you we’ve been pretty awful.

You call it doing well but people don’t see it that way.

As for this supposed run, again as everyone pointed out it’s meaningless or Wenger would have won the title multiple times after 2005 if this actually meant anything because he often wen on long runs when it mattered least.


The points we've won over the last 31 PL games tell the story of how we have done since coming out of a poor run.

That's all that matters and the true story is we've been doing well for a long time.


So your deliberately not counting that poor run (of course) and ignoring that despite your claims we're 11th in the league.

......... that is what counts.

Arguing about your fantasy selected period of time is akin to arguing about what air tastes like.

I think I'll stick to counting the results per season as a whole .......... you know, like how the Premier League does?

Its a new low of mediocrity to be trying make out we're doing well by selecting half seasons, you can kick and scream as much as you want but our league position says "11th".

Explain that one.


Fantasy? No.
Reality, yes.
We've been one of the best teams in the league for some time.
No matter how much that grates ( don't know why it would), it is a fact.

Being 11th after 7 games?
Means far less than being the 4th best team over a much longer period because we're now showing we can sustain top 4 form over a long period.

I wouldn't be too worried about the first 3 games with covid and injuries.
Better to celebrate the last 4 games which have put is back in the race for top 4.

So we have top four form while the teams that actually finished top four last season, and are top four after the start of this season, don’t? :think:


Some do.
The difference between Arsenal and top 4 last year was terrible run of 7 games.
That's it.
But since those games , 31 matches later, we've won the 4th most points in the league.

Whichever way you cut it, we're not close to being as terrible as you make out.
Were actually doing well since Dec 2020 and we should be pretty positive for the rest of the season ahead.
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Re: Implications of Newcastle takeover on Arsenal

Postby Dejan » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:02 am

TedLasso wrote:What about the last 38 games? Thats a full prem season, why not use that as a sample?

Oh it’s because it includes losses you dont want to count. Weird.


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