Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, White, Gabriel, Tierney/Tavares

[jayramfootball]

Did we not beat chelsea at full strength 3-1 last season when esr and Martinelli smoked them?

Yeah but I am sure Chelsea didn’t care in that meeting either.
I think they let us beat them in the FA Cup too as they really couldn’t be arsed.

[jayramfootball]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

[theHotHead]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

[starmandb]

We just have different degrees of measurement it seems. Liverpool’s front is much tougher than anything we’ve faced so far, by a fair bit.

Their forwards are just too good. They have lost 4 points in the last two games and still able to score four goals. I think it will be better if we try to attack because their defenders are not in a good form.

4 goals conceded in the last 10 games is better than George Graham level and he is the high watermark for Arsenal defensively

[starmandb]

OK - new manager, new league, getting to grips with the new team. The comment still stands.

FFS all the excuses in the world for OTHER teams.

Exactly
Liverpool drew at home with Brighton
Some were outraged we only got a point away
Chelsea drew at home to Burnley
We won at their ground but that was to be expected
We drew at home with Crystal Palace
Man City lost at home to them

[starmandb]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Was that the game when arsenal got to choose the Chelsea team or was it a manager choosing from his own squad

[theHotHead]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Was that the game when arsenal got to choose the Chelsea team or was it a manager choosing from his own squad

It was a week after we surrendered the tie to Villareal by not playing with any strikers. Had we won and progressed to the EL final we may very well have had to do the same thing Chelsea did - rest our best players. Gobshite opposing fans would then run up their mouth if they beat us with a weakened team but all Arsenal fans would know they only won because we fielded a weakened team .......

[jayramfootball]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Nope - you are not getting away with that.
You said it was all on the manager.
If you are now saying that it is NOT on the manager if the players are not good enough, you are agreeing (correctly) that it is nearly ALL about the players.

[jayramfootball]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Was that the game when arsenal got to choose the Chelsea team or was it a manager choosing from his own squad

It was a week after we surrendered the tie to Villareal by not playing with any strikers. Had we won and progressed to the EL final we may very well have had to do the same thing Chelsea did - rest our best players. Gobshite opposing fans would then run up their mouth if they beat us with a weakened team but all Arsenal fans would know they only won because we fielded a weakened team .......

Amazing energy you have to downplay Arteta's team beating Tuchel's Chelsea at their own place.
Funny, I don't see you making any excuses for Arsenal's poor results - I mean our team was decimated for the first 3 games this year, yet they seem to be your go to games to kick Arsenal with.
You've stubbornly talked yourself into strange place, expending energy making excuses for rivals and downplaying our successes just because you got entrenched on Arteta!
How about being a bit more objective??? I get that you want a different manager, but as that is not happening, what possible joy can you get out of the constant negativity?

[theHotHead]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Nope - you are not getting away with that.
You said it was all on the manager.
If you are now saying that it is NOT on the manager if the players are not good enough, you are agreeing (correctly) that it is nearly ALL about the players.

Jay I am not going to waste my time arguing if you re going to deliberately be a pleb. You know EXACTLY what I am saying, I have enough posts to respond to without including your silly ones.

[theHotHead]

How can I be entrenched against Arteta when I have stated multiple times that if he turns it around he will have my support. If he can provide good results in our next 4 games I would be chuffed.

You conveniently keep forgetting that, I don't want him out because I want him out, I want him out because he is not good enough. If he becomes good enough I will want him to stay. But admitting that screws up your attacks so you ignore the facts.

[DiamondGooner]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Nope - you are not getting away with that.
You said it was all on the manager.
If you are now saying that it is NOT on the manager if the players are not good enough, you are agreeing (correctly) that it is nearly ALL about the players.

Two things.

One, its all about the manager when most else is equal, a good manager can take a medium squad and make them decent or take a top team and make them beat the other top 4.

So to try and put forward that Klopp managing Blackburn would beat the top 4 just because the manager does make the difference when most else is near enough equal is quite frankly pathetic.

The players obviously matter but all around Europe the top 6 in each league have somewhat comparable squads so if you have a top 4 squad the manager is the difference maker.

Nice try.

Secondly, Arteta beat Tuchel last time parking the bus ........ the praise goes to Arteta for that game, but would you really want to use that as a bench mark if we had to play Chelsea 5x?

If anything that game proved my point, Arteta made a call that made it so our team which is a lesser team than Chelsea, we beat them in a one off because of our managers tactic proving the manager makes the difference if the gap in the squads isn't too wide.

[jayramfootball]

:rofll: Can’t even beat Chelsea away from home now without it being a non achievement

Its called false security Jay. When we beat a top team at full strength, that's the goal. When we beat a top team that has a few injuries, to that's not our problem, all teams have injuries, ita down to the club to manage it. To beat a second string team because the player was protecting his key players for more important games they are due to play is a "hollow victory".

Only the most deluded fans would run around claiming dominion because of that. There is a reason why fans feel short-changed when teams field weakened teams in certain games.

HH. You have said it’s all about the manager.
Then you make an excuse for Tuchel getting stomped by Arteta at his own home based on the players Tuchel had. All the while you never once made any excuses for Arsenal or Arteta when WE had weakened teams in the first 3 games of the season,

You’re talking rubbish and it’s because you’ve lost it about Arteta. Can we have the old HH please!

Stop being a pleb. Its obvious if the second string play its not just about the manager.

Nope - you are not getting away with that.
You said it was all on the manager.
If you are now saying that it is NOT on the manager if the players are not good enough, you are agreeing (correctly) that it is nearly ALL about the players.

Two things.

One, its all about the manager when most else is equal, a good manager can take a medium squad and make them decent or take a top team and make them beat the other top 4.

So to try and put forward that Klopp managing Blackburn would beat the top 4 just because the manager does make the difference when most else is near enough equal is quite frankly pathetic.

The players obviously matter but all around Europe the top 6 in each league have somewhat comparable squads so if you have a top 4 squad the manager is the difference maker.

Nice try.

Secondly, Arteta beat Tuchel last time parking the bus ........ the praise goes to Arteta for that game, but would you really want to use that as a bench mark if we had to play Chelsea 5x?

If anything that game proved my point, Arteta made a call that made it so our team which is a lesser team than Chelsea, we beat them in a one off because of our managers tactic proving the manager makes the difference if the gap in the squads isn't too wide.

I don't disagree - the players are the driver of success or failure.
If there is no difference in the quality of the players and performances on the day of the players then other factors become important, like the manager.
That's why Klopp, or Tuchel, or Pep would be bottom of the league if any of them managed Norwich.

[theHotHead]

Jay going back to his pleb argument.

Full strength team, its all down to the manager. under-strength team - its largely out of the manager's hands unless his second string are almost as good as his first string.

Jay knows this but is trying to get extra mileage to his argument by being a pleb.

[jayramfootball]

Jay going back to his pleb argument.

Full strength team, its all down to the manager. under-strength team - its largely out of the manager's hands unless his second string are almost as good as his first string.

Jay knows this but is trying to get extra mileage to his argument by being a pleb.

Lol, so it's down to the manager as long as his players are good enough.
You are getting there finally - it's why the vast majority of any success comes from the players.
If all the teams were equal in playing personal that is when managers come to the fore.