Creativity & Chance Conversion

[Ach]

Scored 13 goals this season in 11 games. Worst in the top 6 by a mile

Creating was and still is our biggest problem

50m CB incoming

[theHotHead]

Goal difference of 0

Good going Arteta.

[jayramfootball]

Goal difference of 0

Good going Arteta.

+9 in the last 8 games. (only bettered by Liverpool and Chelsea)
Only Liverpool and Chelsea have scored more over the last 8 games and only Chelsea have conceded less.
The first 3 games we were seriously under strength.
The data shows we're getting better creatively as well as getting a LOT better defensively.
All good signs as the season progresses.

[Ach]

Has anyone told jay season is 11 games in?

[theHotHead]

Has anyone told jay season is 11 games in?

Every one of Jay's arguments takes a subset of dates or games, never the whole set ... I wonder why .......

[jayramfootball]

Has anyone told jay season is 11 games in?

Every one of Jay's arguments takes a subset of dates or games, never the whole set ... I wonder why .......

Because I am talking about the improvement.
Quite obviously when you discuss improvement you look at the DIFFERENCE, not the whole.

Just like we have improved dramatically as a team in terms of our points won since Dec 2020, we've improved this year dramatically from the disappointment of the first 3 games. These are just facts. If we look at the season as a whole, we're the 5th best team so for. Also good.

Unlike you, I am not wallowing in self pity over the first 3 games when we had half our current team missing or not even at the club yet.

[Ach]

Thread is called creativity and chance conversion of past 8 games?

[jayramfootball]

Thread is called creativity and chance conversion of past 8 games?

Nope - the data will include the entire season and like I said, it shows an improvement because we've done considerably better over the last 8 games.
Keep trying.

[Ach]

Has anyone told jay season is 11 games in?

Every one of Jay's arguments takes a subset of dates or games, never the whole set ... I wonder why .......

If you only look at the good games and never the bad games, it suits his Arteta can do no wrong agenda.

Only reason I can think of.

He's like that Iraqi guy. Comical Ali. Ignoring what's going around him and saying everything is great

[jayramfootball]

Has anyone told jay season is 11 games in?

Every one of Jay's arguments takes a subset of dates or games, never the whole set ... I wonder why .......

If you only look at the good games and never the bad games, it suits his Arteta can do no wrong agenda.

Only reason I can think of.

He's like that Iraqi guy. Comical Ali. Ignoring what's going around him and saying everything is great

The last 35 games in which we've had one of the best records in the league and you say we're shit and the manager should be sacked.
Yeah - what was that about Comical Ali?

I am really looking forward to the coming seasons - looking back on your trolling is going to be great.

[Ach]

Comical jay at his best here

Or do you prefer comical troll?

Either works.

When's the next 180 turn?

[theHotHead]

Its not the first 3 games Jay - we have scored 13 goals in 8 games, our creativity is shit, thats been the case for most of the season. Its not this picture of bliss/awesomeness you are making it out to be.

[jayramfootball]

Its not the first 3 games Jay - we have scored 13 goals in 8 games, our creativity is shit, thats been the case for most of the season. Its not this picture of bliss/awesomeness you are making it out to be.

13 in 8 is not shit.
Only 2 teams in the PL have done better than that over the last 8 games.
City have 12.
It's shaping up to be quite a defensive season.
Only Liverpool and Chelsea are managing to score goals at a clip.

[Arsenal Tone]

People have been defending wenger's gung-ho approach for so long they are really struggling watching us grind out results. Having one shot on target and winning 1-0 is better than having twenty and losing or drawing and that is the difference between Wenger's later years and Arteta's current season.

Arteta needed results to keep his job and wasn't getting them. He was astute enough to know that to get results you need to be solid at the back and sorted it. Results are now coming.

I want to see what he does next in terms of both tactics and transfers.

[theHotHead]

Its not the first 3 games Jay - we have scored 13 goals in 8 games, our creativity is shit, thats been the case for most of the season. Its not this picture of bliss/awesomeness you are making it out to be.

I have no interest in the argument you and jay are having but im curious about something here.

How many goals over those 8 games would Arsenal have needed for you to think our creativity is not shit? What would an adequate number be to you?

Good question, this is one of those times where stats alone don't paint the whole picture.

If we were creating lots of chances in games, good chances - and missing them, I wouldn't make a fuss about the few number of goals we have scored, it would largely be irrelevant because I know it would only be a matter of time for the goals to start being scored.

But its the stats along with our poor attacking play that is the reason for my concern, the tactic of slinging in crosses every 2 minutes to nobody or to players that have little chance in converting the crosses is the problem. Having Auba isolated is a problem, its easy for teams to defend.

So I can't answer your question with a black and white answer, it all depends on how we play as well as how many we score.

We had an argument a while back about the quality of our chances and Jay made the point that other teams are converting more of their shit chances than us, he saw that as the problem. I disagreed, I said we are not creating enough good chances in the first place, I maintain that point.