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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Fri May 13, 2022 4:52 pm
by DiamondGooner
EliteKiller wrote:jayramfootball wrote:
Didn’t matter what Holding did later.
After 11 minutes Son elbowed Holding in the face.
It was a blatant red card
Holding got to him and provoked a red card reaction.
The ref cheated and let Son off.
From 11 minutes we should have been at 0-0 playing against 10 men.
It’s that simple and unarguable.
"Didn’t matter what Holding did later" - that's what Holding thought - both of you are idiots
Ffs
Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:00 pm
by DiamondGooner
jayramfootball wrote:11 minutes in at 0-0
Like I said , we should have been playing against 10 men with 79 minutes left at 0-0.
Ref (and VAR who was Mike Dean by the way) 100% dictated the result.
There are no rational explanations as to why Son was not sent off.
There is no way an Arsenal player would have got away with that.
As usual we have 'Arsenal; fans' here delighted that we lost and loving bias refs against us.
Not at all.
We just focus on the fact that they scored 3 and we managed none, no referee decisions are going to help us attack properly, Saka was poor and the difference in level between him and a WC player in Son was on full display, a level difference I've had to spoon feed and educate you on the difference of what a "good" player and WC looks like as you seem to not know, I hope you learned something.
In the end of the day the penalty was soft, but again, that doesn't mean it won't be given, it means its a 50/50 chance it'll be given and Son did a good job of selling it and Cedric looked cynical.
Holding however has no defence whatsoever, he lost his head trying to mark a WC player, its that simple, there was no need whatsoever for rough housing Son half way up the bloody pitch its ridiculous.
Arteta should of seen Holding was in trouble after the yellow card and hauled him off, problem solved.
Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:50 pm
by Zenith
Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Fri May 13, 2022 5:57 pm
by Zenith
I don't buy the corruption angle, but for years and years the media (rightly so, to an extent) pushed the narrative that Arsenal teams are 'naive' and 'soft', particularly physically. That has changed in the last year or two: Arsenal have become a taller, more combative team, and have become significantly more dominant in both ground and aerial duels.
There's also an increase in cynicism and gamesmanship to Arsenal's play. Again, no obscene amount for a Premier League team, but it's that drastic change in style that challenges perception, and it influences the outcome of the decisions that are being made.
Modern Arsenal teams aren't supposed to have 'hard' or 'cynical' traits, and so there's a tendency for 50-50 calls, or 60-40 calls, to not go Arsenal's way. It's a classic case of Semmelweis effect. It'll pass, but only if we stick to those same principles for long enough and re-establish ourselves as a top-4 side.
Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Fri May 13, 2022 7:53 pm
by CaptGooner
Zenith wrote:I don't buy the corruption angle, but for years and years the media (rightly so, to an extent) pushed the narrative that Arsenal teams are 'naive' and 'soft', particularly physically. That has changed in the last year or two: Arsenal have become a taller, more combative team, and have become significantly more dominant in both ground and aerial duels.
There's also an increase in cynicism and gamesmanship to Arsenal's play. Again, no obscene amount for a Premier League team, but it's that drastic change in style that challenges perception, and it influences the outcome of the decisions that are being made.
Modern Arsenal teams aren't supposed to have 'hard' or 'cynical' traits, and so there's a tendency for 50-50 calls, or 60-40 calls, to not go Arsenal's way. It's a classic case of Semmelweis effect. It'll pass, but only if we stick to those same principles for long enough and re-establish ourselves as a top-4 side.
Spot on. When the penalty was given it brought back flashbacks to the Wenger years when it seemed every call went against us in big games. It’s definitely gotten better though the past couple years.
Re: Major Refereeing Decisions
Posted:
Sat May 14, 2022 8:32 am
by jayramfootball
DiamondGooner wrote:jayramfootball wrote:11 minutes in at 0-0
Like I said , we should have been playing against 10 men with 79 minutes left at 0-0.
Ref (and VAR who was Mike Dean by the way) 100% dictated the result.
There are no rational explanations as to why Son was not sent off.
There is no way an Arsenal player would have got away with that.
As usual we have 'Arsenal; fans' here delighted that we lost and loving bias refs against us.
Not at all.
We just focus on the fact that they scored 3 and we managed none, no referee decisions are going to help us attack properly, Saka was poor and the difference in level between him and a WC player in Son was on full display, a level difference I've had to spoon feed and educate you on the difference of what a "good" player and WC looks like as you seem to not know, I hope you learned something.
In the end of the day the penalty was soft, but again, that doesn't mean it won't be given, it means its a 50/50 chance it'll be given and Son did a good job of selling it and Cedric looked cynical.
Holding however has no defence whatsoever, he lost his head trying to mark a WC player, its that simple, there was no need whatsoever for rough housing Son half way up the bloody pitch its ridiculous.
Arteta should of seen Holding was in trouble after the yellow card and hauled him off, problem solved.
Not sure why you felt the need to deflect on behalf of Son and the ref.
Before Holdings red , Son should have been sent off for an elbow.
It’s that simple.
What Holding did later was irrelevant to that decision. Son should not even have been on the field for Holding to foul later.
We should have been playing vs 10 men from 11 minutes on - at 0-0.
In other words the ref dictated the winner of the game
The fact the ref gave one of the softest penalties you will ever see as well a few minutes later was no surprise at all. Once he has cheated so blatantly to allow Son to stay in the pitch, we had no chance.