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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Ach » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:31 pm

His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:35 pm

Ach wrote:His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way


He headed the ball first though - it was not stopping an opponents shot.

An arm extended away from the body makes that body bigger, in an unnatural position," explains Mike Riley, Managing Director of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the referees' body.

"If the ball strikes that arm, particularly if it is blocking a shot on goal, there is a greater likelihood we will penalise that."

The proximity of the player whose hand or arm makes contact with the ball to where the ball was struck from will still be an important consideration for officials when making a decision to award handball or not.


First of all, not cut and dry at all.
Second, it did not stop / block any attempt at goal - he actually blocked his own clearance with his head.
Third - proximity was obviously very close.

At best the decision is debatable - certainly not cut and dried.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Nuggets » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:36 pm

Ach wrote:His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way


Good, otherwise Jay would have been beating his gums of how the world is against us and writing reams of tosh pf how we wuz robbed :dizzy:
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Ach » Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:40 pm

Nuggets wrote:
Ach wrote:His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way


Good, otherwise Jay would have been beating his gums of how the world is against us and writing reams of tosh pf how we wuz robbed :dizzy:

Oh he still is. It's incredibly dull and boring. Just read the premier League thread during the Liverpool v Everton game. It was all how Arsenal wouldn't get away with X, y and z that others do and so on.

This is a troll thread. It was known from the start made by someone with limited knowledge of rules of football or football in general.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:13 am

On that Liverpool v Everton game it was another very clear example of referee bias and how it has a major impact over a season.

Xhaka was sent from the field of play, straight red, for hands to the face. Mane? No. Did it twice and got away with it.
He got away with it because he plays for Liverpool and not Arsenal. It’s that simple.

The inconsistent examples are so widespread now and skew towards certain teams it’s beyond and real doubt that we get shitty decisions from refs

The only outstanding question is why.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:35 am

Real got a penalty the other day for Laporte heading on to his arm.

No fuss about it, everyone knew it was a penalty, Tavares was the same thing, amazing that you claim this wasn’t a penalty.

It seems to look at decisions against us, dissect them and then decide we’ve been hard done by when it’s not the case.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:50 am

Salibatelli wrote:Real got a penalty the other day for Laporte heading on to his arm.

No fuss about it, everyone knew it was a penalty, Tavares was the same thing, amazing that you claim this wasn’t a penalty.

It seems to look at decisions against us, dissect them and then decide we’ve been hard done by when it’s not the case.



Huge difference between those two incidents.
In the City game, the defender threw his arm back and stopped the ball going behind him.

In our incident Tavares blocked his own headed clearance which was was successfully heading away from the goal.

I don't think either were clear penalties TBH, but Tavares' even less so.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Santi » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:28 pm

Think the Tavares pen was fair enough tbh, don't really care how it knobbed it's way onto to his arm...he was stupid for doing a superman impression and ran the risk.

Lack of red for Bruno was the worse crime in that game.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Zenith » Mon May 09, 2022 6:10 pm

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Former Premier League referee “surprised” Chris Kavanagh needed VAR to give Ayling red card against Arsenal

Former Premier League referee Mark Halsey has given his thoughts on the red card given to Luke Ayling in the Arsenal vs Leeds game.

Luke Ayling was sent off after VAR recommended a review for his foul on Gabriel Martinelli, where Chris Kavanagh initially gave a yellow card. Former Premier League referee Halsey believes the correct decision was eventually made but has questioned why Kavanagh failed to give a red card in the first place.

“If you look at Luke Ayling, you’ve got to say what a silly challenge and for me, it’s a red card challenge, serious foul play, endangering a player’s safety with excessive force. I’m just a little bit surprised that Chris Kavanagh’s not recognised this first off and relied on VAR to get involved,” said Halsey, speaking exclusively to CaughtOffside.

The issue we have with VAR is often referee’s rely on the technology too much, and won’t make a crucial decision themselves. This then makes it difficult for the officials to sometime’s overturn their decision, due to the ‘clear and obvious error’ ruling.

Ayling was completely out of control, two-footed, and was endangering the safety of Martinelli, so there’s no reason for Kavanagh not to give the red card instantly.

“I thought Raphinha was lucky as well. He was cautioned for remonstrating with the referee and he still has to be pulled back after he’s been cautioned by the referee. I don’t think Leeds can have any complaints with the red card because it’s a clear, clear red card,” added Halsey.

Raphinha’s behaviour after the red card was silly, and he can count himself lucky to not be punished further. It’s clear to see that these Leeds players are struggling to deal with the pressure of being in a relegation fight.

As Halsey rightly said, Leeds can have no complaints about the red card, and the fans are going to be extremely disappointed in one of their senior players. Ayling will now miss three games due to serious foul play and is going to be a huge miss in their fight to stay in the Premier League.

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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Santi » Tue May 10, 2022 12:15 am

Halsey not got the memo? If it's against Arsenal, it's never a red on first glance.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Reiss » Thu May 12, 2022 7:52 pm

Has the ref given us one decision tonight?

Every 50/50, every tight call gone their way.

Influence.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Ach » Thu May 12, 2022 7:56 pm

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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Reiss » Thu May 12, 2022 8:26 pm

Every little decision going their way. So corrupt.
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby Santi » Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Pen ruined the game
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Re: Major Refereeing Decisions

Postby themessiah » Thu May 12, 2022 8:29 pm

Reiss wrote:Has the ref given us one decision tonight?

Every 50/50, every tight call gone their way.

Influence.

:dontknow: Then The players really should learn to not leave a 50/50 decision up to the referees. It very very rarely goes in our favour tbf. They have to be smarter ffs.
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