Major Refereeing Decisions

[jayramfootball]

There is compilation to be made of several nasty red card challenges on our players this season that have gone either totally unpunished without even a free kick, no card or just a yellow. The assault on Saka in the 2-2 Palace game that directly cost us 2 points is probably the worst but there have been so many others.
Opposing players must know they can get away with it against us. A leg breaker is coming if something is not done.

[antfosfosant]

Not sure why no one is raising their penalty as a dodgy call. Tavares arm was in an odd position, yes, but that it not determinative. His arm was also about 6 inches from where it came off his head. Given where it was (above the attackers shoulder) he could not have moved it out of the way. Don’t see why it should be any different to if an attacker blasts the ball against a defenders hand from point blank range

[theHotHead]

Antfosant, sorry but you are way off the mark. Nobody jumps for a header with their arm outstretched in that way, so its not only an unnatural position, it is weird as f**k !

[antfosfosant]

Antfosant, sorry but you are way off the mark. Nobody jumps for a header with their arm outstretched in that way, so its not only an unnatural position, it is weird as f**k !

I agree weird as f!@k, but still doesn't change the fact that Tavares headed the ball onto his own arm which he simply cold not move out of the way (i) because of proximity (to his own head!) and (ii) there was an opponent beneath his arm. It could only be said to be deliberate if he intended to head it onto his arm. Even Tavares' chaotic approach to defending can't extend that far! But, whatever the case, was worth it to see Fernandes work his magic.

[theHotHead]

Ok I take your point.

I think removing the proximity of the ball in contacting the arm the whole thing is just a mess. Intentional handball is clear, it really isnt that complicated. The ball ping-ponging onto an arm cannot be classed as intentional. There is no way Tavares intended to head the ball and handle it, his intent may have been to handle the ball but he certainly didn't intend to win the header.

But I get that interpretation is somewhat contradictory. The handball rule is a mess.

[jayramfootball]

Not sure why no one is raising their penalty as a dodgy call. Tavares arm was in an odd position, yes, but that it not determinative. His arm was also about 6 inches from where it came off his head. Given where it was (above the attackers shoulder) he could not have moved it out of the way. Don’t see why it should be any different to if an attacker blasts the ball against a defenders hand from point blank range

I did
It was not a penalty IMO.
Tavares won the header and it rebounded on to his arm.
It could be viewed as a pen as if he didn't;t have his arm up it would not have been an issue, however if his arm was not there the ball was cleared by Tavares because he won the header.
It was very questionable yet the way it was commentated on was as if it was a stick on penalty - it was anything but.

[jayramfootball]

Ok I take your point.

I think removing the proximity of the ball in contacting the arm the whole thing is just a mess. Intentional handball is clear, it really isnt that complicated. The ball ping-ponging onto an arm cannot be classed as intentional. There is no way Tavares intended to head the ball and handle it, his intent may have been to handle the ball but he certainly didn't intend to win the header.

But I get that interpretation is somewhat contradictory. The handball rule is a mess.

He intended to head the ball and would have cleared it but for his own arm.
Its an odd one to give a pen because if his arm was not there it was getting cleared.
I agree the interpretation of the rule is all over the place

[Ach]

His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way

[jayramfootball]

His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way

He headed the ball first though - it was not stopping an opponents shot.

An arm extended away from the body makes that body bigger, in an unnatural position," explains Mike Riley, Managing Director of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the referees' body.

"If the ball strikes that arm, particularly if it is blocking a shot on goal, there is a greater likelihood we will penalise that."

The proximity of the player whose hand or arm makes contact with the ball to where the ball was struck from will still be an important consideration for officials when making a decision to award handball or not.

First of all, not cut and dry at all.
Second, it did not stop / block any attempt at goal - he actually blocked his own clearance with his head.
Third - proximity was obviously very close.

At best the decision is debatable - certainly not cut and dried.

[Nuggets]

His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way

Good, otherwise Jay would have been beating his gums of how the world is against us and writing reams of tosh pf how we wuz robbed

[Ach]

His arm was in an unnatural position

Penalty in everyone's book

When a ball is kicked on to an arm which is in an unnatural position, it's punished.

Ref did have some shockers. Cedric handball. Tavares on Elanga. Bruno challenge.

Fortunately most went our way

Good, otherwise Jay would have been beating his gums of how the world is against us and writing reams of tosh pf how we wuz robbed

Oh he still is. It's incredibly dull and boring. Just read the premier League thread during the Liverpool v Everton game. It was all how Arsenal wouldn't get away with X, y and z that others do and so on.

This is a troll thread. It was known from the start made by someone with limited knowledge of rules of football or football in general.

[jayramfootball]

On that Liverpool v Everton game it was another very clear example of referee bias and how it has a major impact over a season.

Xhaka was sent from the field of play, straight red, for hands to the face. Mane? No. Did it twice and got away with it.
He got away with it because he plays for Liverpool and not Arsenal. It’s that simple.

The inconsistent examples are so widespread now and skew towards certain teams it’s beyond and real doubt that we get shitty decisions from refs

The only outstanding question is why.

[Salibatelli]

Real got a penalty the other day for Laporte heading on to his arm.

No fuss about it, everyone knew it was a penalty, Tavares was the same thing, amazing that you claim this wasn’t a penalty.

It seems to look at decisions against us, dissect them and then decide we’ve been hard done by when it’s not the case.

[jayramfootball]

Real got a penalty the other day for Laporte heading on to his arm.

No fuss about it, everyone knew it was a penalty, Tavares was the same thing, amazing that you claim this wasn’t a penalty.

It seems to look at decisions against us, dissect them and then decide we’ve been hard done by when it’s not the case.

Huge difference between those two incidents.
In the City game, the defender threw his arm back and stopped the ball going behind him.

In our incident Tavares blocked his own headed clearance which was was successfully heading away from the goal.

I don't think either were clear penalties TBH, but Tavares' even less so.

[Santi]

Think the Tavares pen was fair enough tbh, don't really care how it knobbed it's way onto to his arm...he was stupid for doing a superman impression and ran the risk.

Lack of red for Bruno was the worse crime in that game.