by PairyGrows » Fri May 20, 2022 10:40 am
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 1:25 pm
ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 1:29 pm
PairyGrows wrote:Personally, I can't see Arsenal winning the league in my lifetime. I especially can't see it under the current management.
by Salibatelli » Fri May 20, 2022 3:21 pm
jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
by UFGN » Fri May 20, 2022 3:26 pm
Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 3:28 pm
Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
by DiamondGooner » Fri May 20, 2022 7:00 pm
UFGN wrote:Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
I would also reiterate that top four in itself is not an achievement. The aim must always be to win the league. Top four is a steppingstone, not a destination
by UFGN » Fri May 20, 2022 9:39 pm
DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
I would also reiterate that top four in itself is not an achievement. The aim must always be to win the league. Top four is a steppingstone, not a destination
Woah hold your horses there cowboy, win the league??
That is not part of the process.
The way we go about business that's like asking a runner with a broken ankle to win the 100m sprint.
by DiamondGooner » Fri May 20, 2022 10:45 pm
UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
I would also reiterate that top four in itself is not an achievement. The aim must always be to win the league. Top four is a steppingstone, not a destination
Woah hold your horses there cowboy, win the league??
That is not part of the process.
The way we go about business that's like asking a runner with a broken ankle to win the 100m sprint.
It's the standard I held Wenger to.
I'm not saying it would happen next season, but for a club like Arsenal it should never be off the table..... It should always be no more than about four years away as a strong possibility. If it feels further away than that, then we have the wrong manager
by UFGN » Fri May 20, 2022 10:54 pm
DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:UFGN wrote:Salibatelli wrote:jayramfootball wrote:ag6789 wrote:Barren spells happen for every big club. 'pool had 30 yrs before they won the PL; ManU now out for 10 yrs; ManCity before 2013 won Div1 in '68, Chelsea before 2005 were waiting since probably '50s, Spuds( if you call them a big club at all) are out for 60+ yrs.
Our time will come and we'll win 4-5 on the trot. Happens in cycles.
Good thing is we have been competitive even in doldrums. 4th-5th w/ occasional FA, cup finals , etc.
They do.
We've had 2 spells of not winning the league for 18 years before this current one.
A lot of the fan base only remember Wenger onwards so they feel entitled to top 4.
We finish top 4 less than 50% of the time in our history (actually about 4 times every 10 seasons)
No one cared about top 4 that’s why, if they couldn’t win the league they turned their attention to other trophies.
Now because of the CL it’s seen as some sort of achievement, I’d like them to strip the CL back so that you actually have to win or challenge for something to qualify.
I’d limit the CL to 2 places and then if you absolutely had to have another team it would be the qualification rounds for winning the FA cup, that way the FA cup becomes more prestigious again as it was years ago rather than this secondary competition.
It’s why I value qualifying for the CL through winning the EL over count 4th, you have to win something to qualify.
I would also reiterate that top four in itself is not an achievement. The aim must always be to win the league. Top four is a steppingstone, not a destination
Woah hold your horses there cowboy, win the league??
That is not part of the process.
The way we go about business that's like asking a runner with a broken ankle to win the 100m sprint.
It's the standard I held Wenger to.
I'm not saying it would happen next season, but for a club like Arsenal it should never be off the table..... It should always be no more than about four years away as a strong possibility. If it feels further away than that, then we have the wrong manager
Well according to some on here, the process goes, we weren't supposed to finish top 4 this season, next season its just to get top 4.
Winning the league isn't in next years plans apparently.
Obviously I don't buy that crap, fact is we won't win the league because our manager is a rookie, so is our recruitment and our Director ......... top it off with a sprinkling of Kroenke sounds like he's thrown his toys out of the pram about not getting CL money because Arteta is making noises of him not getting large funds this summer.
Seems we're not the only ones bothered about missing top 4, but Stan is too.
by VCC » Fri May 20, 2022 11:32 pm
by Arsenal Tone » Sat May 21, 2022 7:28 am
This is the good thing about now compared to Wenger's latter years. If Arteta fails, he'll be sacked. With Wenger you felt it could go on indefinitely.VCC wrote:Every investment is done for a return, no CL will have a cost, Arteta is not on a freebe for life.
by EliteKiller » Sat May 21, 2022 7:33 am
by Nuggets » Sat May 21, 2022 7:39 am
Arsenal Tone wrote:This is the good thing about now compared to Wenger's latter years. If Arteta fails, he'll be sacked. With Wenger you felt it could go on indefinitely.VCC wrote:Every investment is done for a return, no CL will have a cost, Arteta is not on a freebe for life.
by Arsenal Tone » Sat May 21, 2022 7:44 am
The only bone of contention is what constitutes 'failure'Nuggets wrote:Arsenal Tone wrote:This is the good thing about now compared to Wenger's latter years. If Arteta fails, he'll be sacked. With Wenger you felt it could go on indefinitely.VCC wrote:Every investment is done for a return, no CL will have a cost, Arteta is not on a freebe for life.
we live in hope.