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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Ach » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:07 am

Ffs all the talk will be about that instead of what it should be about. Getting rid of this garbage

Well done to these cretins for doing that
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:57 pm

Jedi wrote:After a tough loss, the easiest type of commentary and also the most worthless is shouting abuse at players and saying you want them gone, that they're not good enough and so on, and so on... It's self-masturbatory nonsense that brings no value to any conversation.

I don't care about your emotional appeals. I'm simply asking: What is the solution? How does removing our top scorer make us more likely to score goals? Like it or not, Kai Havertz is the only player with double figure goals in our team.

You remove the additional 10+ goals he's going to bring us + a couple of assists and this helps us how? Will Martinelli stop acting like a headless chicken and losing every single 1v1?

Will Odegaard finally score his second goal of the season? (the first one was a penalty)

Will Saka magically come back from injury?

You don't have the answers. You're just throwing your toys out of the pram because you're hurt we crashed out of the FA Cup.

The obvious thing is to bring in a striker who is better at finishing than Havertz. It shouldn't be difficult, Havertz is a terrible finisher. Thats how you improve the team, then you win games like the last 2 because you are not constantly missing sitters !!
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Est83 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:33 pm

Does Havertz have a place in the team after a supposed big name striker comes in the summer?

He can't move to #8 full time, and as a #9 his job is to score goals. I don't hate the guy, in form he can do some great things, but if he's not scoring goals then he's not doing his job. He's an expensive, rogue, auxiliary player, and we're not rich enough to have players on the bench with that kind of salary.

No chance we're getting two strikers in one window though :crybaby:
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:04 pm

Est83 wrote:Does Havertz have a place in the team after a supposed big name striker comes in the summer?

He can't move to #8 full time, and as a #9 his job is to score goals. I don't hate the guy, in form he can do some great things, but if he's not scoring goals then he's not doing his job. He's an expensive, rogue, auxiliary player, and we're not rich enough to have players on the bench with that kind of salary.

No chance we're getting two strikers in one window though :crybaby:


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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Jedi » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:28 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Jedi wrote:After a tough loss, the easiest type of commentary and also the most worthless is shouting abuse at players and saying you want them gone, that they're not good enough and so on, and so on... It's self-masturbatory nonsense that brings no value to any conversation.

I don't care about your emotional appeals. I'm simply asking: What is the solution? How does removing our top scorer make us more likely to score goals? Like it or not, Kai Havertz is the only player with double figure goals in our team.

You remove the additional 10+ goals he's going to bring us + a couple of assists and this helps us how? Will Martinelli stop acting like a headless chicken and losing every single 1v1?

Will Odegaard finally score his second goal of the season? (the first one was a penalty)

Will Saka magically come back from injury?

You don't have the answers. You're just throwing your toys out of the pram because you're hurt we crashed out of the FA Cup.

The obvious thing is to bring in a striker who is better at finishing than Havertz. It shouldn't be difficult, Havertz is a terrible finisher. Thats how you improve the team, then you win games like the last 2 because you are not constantly missing sitters !!

Havertz is definitely no Gerd Muller, but neither was Firminho for Liverpool.

He has a bit of a Swiss knife role in this team and I like that. There's a lot he does well, even if he isn't a lethal finisher. And despite that, he's still our top scorer.

But then I look to the left flank and I see Martinelli and I scratch my head why anyone would replace Havertz while Martinelli is still a starter.

Realistically, we're not replacing both in the same window, so if we're signing a forward, I'd rather address the ineffective left flank first.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:19 pm

Ach wrote:Ffs all the talk will be about that instead of what it should be about. Getting rid of this garbage

Well done to these cretins for doing that

They are about 15 years old. Can't legislate for idiots like that.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:23 pm

The difference between Firmino and Havertz is Havertz is a terrible finisher, Firmino isnt. So given a good chance, a key chance, Firmino will score but Havertz won't.

This isn't about the number of goals because only someone really bad minded will criticise the number of goals Havertz has scored. Its the conversion of chances thats the problem. Bergkamp didn't score bundles of goals but he was deadly when he got a chance.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:23 pm

Well well well....

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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby swipe right » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:04 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Well well well....


People trying to cover their a.rse.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Rockape » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:20 pm

Having had a bit of time to calm down, now that performance is a couple of days behind us, there is no doubt we are seriously up shit creek without a paddle. I did suggest that without Saka we'd be thus, but didn't imagine for a single minute, just how much we would miss him, even when playing ten men for an hour.

Its easy to pile on Havertz, because he missed goals that were easier to score, than miss.....but he isn't the big problem here, its far worse than that!
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby ag6789 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:53 pm

Havertz had decided the Ipswich game with a fine finish. He has been pretty poor in last two games, but, is in double figures goal wise.
Now, this season, one of our main undoing has been low offensive productivity from the midfield. Last two seasons, we had seen ample goals contributions ( G+A) from Odegaard, Rice, Xhaka, but this season, due to injuries, exhaustion, resulting in lack of form , both have been below par ( Xhaka having left Arsenal altogether).
The full back injuries,both on left and right, has also left an unsettled backline. So, many factors have contributed to the current malaise.
I would say, Havertz continue in the CF position and we make some alterations in the middle by involving Zinchenko as LM, bring Tierney as LB, rotated w/Skelly, until we ride out this rough patch.
Hopefully the mgmt are working behind the curtains to bring in some players, at least,on temporary basis to bolster our depleted ranks.
By mid February we will start getting some of our long term absentees back to mount a challenge at whatever is left at that stage.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:14 pm

Rockape wrote:Having had a bit of time to calm down, now that performance is a couple of days behind us, there is no doubt we are seriously up shit creek without a paddle. I did suggest that without Saka we'd be thus, but didn't imagine for a single minute, just how much we would miss him, even when playing ten men for an hour.

Its easy to pile on Havertz, because he missed goals that were easier to score, than miss.....but he isn't the big problem here, its far worse than that!


It's a problem because he plays more minutes than anyone bar Saka and Raya. His limitations are being laid bare every week. He's a confidence player at best and that meter is at rock bottom currently. But as we have no alternative CF, he won't be dropped.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby VCC » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:56 pm

Can't call him donkey it hurts his feelings
Call him Eddie
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby VCC » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:08 pm

Leading the line is all about consistency, and providing the goals that really count, the winners the one chance one nil wins.
How often is Havertz that man to count on.
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Re: Kai Havertz (29)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:19 pm

ag6789 wrote:Havertz had decided the Ipswich game with a fine finish. He has been pretty poor in last two games, but, is in double figures goal wise.
Now, this season, one of our main undoing has been low offensive productivity from the midfield. Last two seasons, we had seen ample goals contributions ( G+A) from Odegaard, Rice, Xhaka, but this season, due to injuries, exhaustion, resulting in lack of form , both have been below par ( Xhaka having left Arsenal altogether).
The full back injuries,both on left and right, has also left an unsettled backline. So, many factors have contributed to the current malaise.
I would say, Havertz continue in the CF position and we make some alterations in the middle by involving Zinchenko as LM, bring Tierney as LB, rotated w/Skelly, until we ride out this rough patch.
Hopefully the mgmt are working behind the curtains to bring in some players, at least,on temporary basis to bolster our depleted ranks.
By mid February we will start getting some of our long term absentees back to mount a challenge at whatever is left at that stage.

I was fully in support of your post until I saw you say play Zinchenko!!! :shout:

I like the idea of Tierney getting more game time. I think the midfield has been the single biggest problem so far this season, it has been wank !
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