by VCC » Mon May 23, 2022 3:08 am
by Hypergooner » Mon May 23, 2022 6:57 am
swipe right wrote:We are not an attractive option for top talent. We’ll have to find Tomiyasus and Odegards. Not going to be easy.
by Ach » Mon May 23, 2022 7:02 am
Hypergooner wrote:swipe right wrote:We are not an attractive option for top talent. We’ll have to find Tomiyasus and Odegards. Not going to be easy.
Madrid and Barca will need another clear out this summer. PSG may have FFP problems. Man United have players that would do well with a proper manager. There will be good players about for us
by theHotHead » Mon May 23, 2022 7:31 am
Hypergooner wrote:Salibatelli wrote:Hypergooner wrote:Salibatelli wrote:I don’t think it has anything to do with thar, it has more to do with being messed about for 3 years and in the meantime playing for a club thar values you and qualified for Europes premier competition.
I can understand why he wouldn’t want to come back, together with the way he’s been treated he can see how others have been as well, that’s never going to make a player rush to come back to us.
In fact a lot of players have no interest in playing for us and would rather go to clubs in the CL with better managers.
I totally understand Saliba’s point of view, he’s not been treated fairly and clearly doesn’t feel valued by Arsenal but does at Marseille.
Generally the very best don’t come to the PL anyway, they only come here if they don’t have a lot of choice and it’s to a money club like City or a club with the history and of the size of Man U.
I don't agree. I'd say the very best do come here (to the prem). The ones that don't only look the best while in weaker leagues. 25 goals in La Liga 35 in France, 30 in Germany is more like 15 in the Prem.
I thought Saliba had some personal reasons he wanted to extend his loan in the first place. Arteta let him stay to get his head right. Now he's playing well and doesn't have to compete for first team football and can play CL, he doesn’t want to come back.
I say ship him off and get a braver man in
Mbappe hasn’t, Ronaldo came before he’d developed and left when reaching his peak, Messi didn’t come, Lewandowski didn’t, Bale left to go toReal when he established himself, so did Bale, the best talents rarely end up in the PL of they’re established as one of the best players around. I’m not saying quality players don’t come, but the very best rarely do when at their peak.
Salah has actually scored more goals per season at Liverpool than he did at Roma, it’s more about what style suits a player than the league. Lukaku scored plenty in England before going to Inter.
I don’t believe that for a second, this started before those alleged personal reasons, he was shipped out after being frozen out for 6 months, not even considered good enough for a squad number to play EL or Caraboa Cup, sounds personal to me.
Now he’s at a club he feels valued, has been called up to the French squad with the World Cup around the corner, why would he want to give it up to play under a man who didn’t give him a chance and has shown that even when he keeps players around it doesn’t mean he’ll give you much game time (AMN, Pepe etc).
I totally understand why someone wouldn’t want to come back without guarantees because under this manager you may not feature at all and may end up missing out on the World Cup getting no game time.
Your point backs my argument.
Bale was good in the Prem. Better in La Liga
Ronaldo the same.
Lewandowski, Messi, Mbappe, Benzima, Harrland, wouldn't/won't score as many in the Prem as they do in the other leagues! It is harder to look like the best player in the world, when playing in the Prem, because the average standard is so high. Saliba, would have a much steeper learning curve in the Prem than in France.
by Ach » Mon May 23, 2022 8:20 am
by alexafc12 » Mon May 23, 2022 10:23 am
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by Goonerred » Mon May 23, 2022 12:23 pm
VCC wrote:So let the re-build begin yawn
by alexafc12 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:36 pm
by UFGN » Mon May 23, 2022 1:40 pm
by alexafc12 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:46 pm
by Hypergooner » Mon May 23, 2022 3:11 pm
theHotHead wrote:Hypergooner wrote:Salibatelli wrote:Hypergooner wrote:Salibatelli wrote:I don’t think it has anything to do with thar, it has more to do with being messed about for 3 years and in the meantime playing for a club thar values you and qualified for Europes premier competition.
I can understand why he wouldn’t want to come back, together with the way he’s been treated he can see how others have been as well, that’s never going to make a player rush to
I totally understand Saliba’s point of view, he’s not been treated fairly and clearly doesn’t feel valued by Arsenal but does at Marseille.
Generally the very best don’t come to the PL anyway, they only come here if they don’t have a lot of choice and it’s to a money club like City or a club with the history and of the size of Man U.
I don't agree. I'd say the very best do come here (to the prem). The ones that don't only look the best while in weaker leagues. 25 goals in La Liga 35 in France, 30 in Germany is more like 15 in the Prem.
I thought Saliba had some personal reasons he wanted to extend his loan in the first place. Arteta let him stay to get his head right. Now he's playing well and doesn't have to compete for first team football and can play CL, he doesn’t want to come back.
I say ship him off and get a braver man
Sorry dude, I don't agree with that at all. here is no evidence whatsoever that its harder to score goals in England than elsewhere.
Bale was 24 when he moved to Real Madrid, of course he would be better in La Liga than he was in the Prem, he was entering his prime plus he was playing for the biggest club in world football !! Same goes for Ronaldo, he too was 24 when he moved to Real.
Sergio Aguero moved to Man City aged 23, during his time at Athletico Madrid he scored a goal every 2.36 games, at Man city he scored a goal every 1.49 games ! Fernando Torres moved to Liverpool aged 23, his record at Athletico Madrid was 2.6 games per goal, at Liverpool it was 1.59. That suggests the Prem is easier than La Liga .. of course its not.
The only league that I can say CATEGORICALLY was traditionally harder to score goals in was Serie A back in the 80s and 90s because Italian football was famous for being a notoriously defensive league, the heroes of the teams used to be defenders. Not the case now.
by swipe right » Mon May 23, 2022 3:40 pm
by Hypergooner » Mon May 23, 2022 4:38 pm
swipe right wrote:We are going to have to find South American gems. And frankly they aren’t that many of them. A couple of high quality players who other clubs have not laid their eyes on that well get for cheap. Wishful thinking but that’s all we’ve got to go with.