by Rockape » Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 am
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 8:13 am
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
by VCC » Fri May 20, 2022 8:37 am
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 9:16 am
VCC wrote:The signs are shit until after the window, because if he does not make great signings this team is not going to be as effective,
by theHotHead » Fri May 20, 2022 9:25 am
Rockape wrote:I think a lot of people are losing sight of the big picture here. The reality is that we currently have a manager who was only a journeyman PL player, worked as a back room assistant to a very successful manager and now has been dropped into a role of which he has no experience.
Can you imagine a City based company with a similar turnover taking such a gamble ? Don’t get me wrong, if he was doing great, it would be amazing, but anyone with a budget, can clear out players and bring in new ones, but can they create that elusive winning formula that makes a team perform above the level of their individual parts?
I’d suggest he’s scored 7/10 so far and don’t think that is good enough. 9/10 is our minimum requirement.
by theHotHead » Fri May 20, 2022 9:27 am
Arsenal Tone wrote:I see your Xhaka LB and ESR up top and raise you Eboue up front and Bendtner on the wing!Highbury Hillbilly wrote:elkanofan wrote:Still waiting for someone whos pro Arteta to explain the genius if Martinelli at LWB for us.
No worse than Xhaka at LB and ESR up top vs Villarreal.
by theHotHead » Fri May 20, 2022 9:29 am
jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 9:49 am
theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
Jay, if the team after Wenger left finished 5th and 1 point from 4th place that tells you and proves that no such long term job was required to fix any situation. Simple.
by DiamondGooner » Fri May 20, 2022 9:50 am
jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
by jayramfootball » Fri May 20, 2022 9:55 am
DiamondGooner wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
That's got nothing to do with it.
People are mad because 4th was "in our hands" it was there, and we refused to take it because we did the minimum just like always.
Not sure why that doesn't sink in to your head, 4th became realistic and we were 4 pts up and we gave it away, not because we had Liverpool and City to go, but a loss at Spurs and loss at Newcastle.
Why did we not park the bus at Spurs when all we needed was a draw? why did we not realise after selling our former star striker that we needed a CF to make a real effort at getting 4th which if we did get CL that would of paid for the CF in full.
Arteta gambled and all your retort is ......... "There's always next year".
No, other teams are also improving, other teams also have "projects" i.e transfer windows.
You've swallowed Vinai's d*ck, he's selling you marketing language, he's forever talking about competing tomorrow when the rest of the league is competing today.
..........its BS and we've been hearing this sort of trash excuses since Wenger.
Also Arteta is actually part of the problem, using dated formations and tactics while the football world has moved on.
We're not getting top 4 next year ......... what are you going to say then?
by Goonerred » Fri May 20, 2022 10:05 am
DiamondGooner wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
That's got nothing to do with it.
People are mad because 4th was "in our hands" it was there, and we refused to take it because we did the minimum just like always.
Not sure why that doesn't sink in to your head, 4th became realistic and we were 4 pts up and we gave it away, not because we had Liverpool and City to go, but a loss at Spurs and loss at Newcastle.
Why did we not park the bus at Spurs when all we needed was a draw? why did we not realise after selling our former star striker that we needed a CF to make a real effort at getting 4th which if we did get CL that would of paid for the CF in full.
Arteta gambled and all your retort is ......... "There's always next year".
No, other teams are also improving, other teams also have "projects" i.e transfer windows.
You've swallowed Vinai's d*ck, he's selling you marketing language, he's forever talking about competing tomorrow when the rest of the league is competing today.
..........its BS and we've been hearing this sort of trash excuses since Wenger.
Also Arteta is actually part of the problem, using dated formations and tactics while the football world has moved on.
We're not getting top 4 next year ......... what are you going to say then?
by Salibatelli » Fri May 20, 2022 10:36 am
by theHotHead » Fri May 20, 2022 10:41 am
jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Rockape wrote::rolleyes: you lost me, when you said ‘those that know about football’.
I can only assume that anyone who thought there was a quick fix really didn’t understand the situation.
It was always a long term job. We were in such awful shape I remember saying it was a 5 year job to get us back - IF we could ever recover. That’s about right. The signs are good that we can get back but only because Arteta recognised he had to totally shred the squad and replace it.
Dismantling the squad so quickly and getting us back up the table with a young squad of replacements and development of the only players worthy of staying is really a very good job.
Our trajectory is up instead of down and our future for the next few years looks positive For the first time in ages. You have to give big credit to the manger for that and the players he brought in.
It’s why Arsenal fans are excited about the future.
Jay, if the team after Wenger left finished 5th and 1 point from 4th place that tells you and proves that no such long term job was required to fix any situation. Simple.
Never bought that argument HH.
The team plummeted from that point and was never going to get us back in the top 4 and had dropped to 11th half way through a season when Arteta took over. It was a mess. So, Arteta completely changed the team and put us on a path forward, completely recovering the position and more importantly setting us an upward trajectory, not down.
The trajectory is simple
Took over in 11th
Moved up to 8th
Stayed 8th
Moved up to 5th
All whilst totally revamping the squad.
My only criticism is that we kept players in that first full season that were proven failures.
Should have done what we did at the beginning of this season earlier - straight after winning the FA Cup.
by theHotHead » Fri May 20, 2022 10:52 am
jayramfootball wrote:
We were in the top 4 race precisely because the manager and team have done a good job this year.
The disappointment is understandable because we got so close, the complete meltdown to suggest our club is doomed forever is not understandable. It’s pathetic.
I have no interest in your tactical analysis , no more than I’d be interested in a bin man talking about financial derivatives.
As for my retort , it’s not ‘there’s always next year’ it’s ‘it always WAS next year’ . This year was always a stretch for top 4 which would have represented a brilliant season way ahead is schedule.
I think we will get top 4 next year.
If we don’t, what I will say is that the manager and players have not progressed. Not really that complicated.
But I will wait for what happens next year instead of crying about what people might be afraid of - incessantly.
by DiamondGooner » Fri May 20, 2022 10:53 am
Reiss wrote:
Shut down the thread. Jay has killed this poor guy!