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Re: Arteta Out

Postby VCC » Fri May 13, 2022 7:43 pm

If Arteta fails top 4 again he should be done.


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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri May 13, 2022 7:52 pm

ag6789 wrote:Auba was dire in last phase for us; for months really. He was tried everywhere up front every day ...but to no avail. Same w/ Lacaztte...no dearth of chances, but didn't fire.
Both can't complain about chances. Especially Auba. First name in the team sheet for almost all his tenure w/ us , barring the last month.
Then he forces the leave.
Maybe another pro-Arsenal guy will show up and take over the mantle in near future.


Auba forced his own exit? Now I've heard it all. He should be on a beach with his £8m ransom instead of wasting his time becoming Barca's top scorer.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Parzival38 » Fri May 13, 2022 8:22 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:That's not the point is it.

The point is when you "had" a top striker and now you sell him on, we were supposed to replace him with someone fit for that role.

We needed to replace our 1st choice, not fall back on 2nd and 3rd choice to get us 4th, despite Nketiah having some good games fair play, but you can't tell me a top striker wouldn't of given us the belief and firepower to get over the line.

We used to win games mainly down to Henry or RVP so many times when we were under the cosh.


You want us to gamble millions on panic buy in January, or do it the right way in the summer for the long term. We don't want another.misfit kicking around for years. Let's do it right.

This is its own gamble I accept that, but it the better gamble imo. We are still 4th.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby VCC » Fri May 13, 2022 8:28 pm

Parzival38 wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:That's not the point is it.

The point is when you "had" a top striker and now you sell him on, we were supposed to replace him with someone fit for that role.

We needed to replace our 1st choice, not fall back on 2nd and 3rd choice to get us 4th, despite Nketiah having some good games fair play, but you can't tell me a top striker wouldn't of given us the belief and firepower to get over the line.

We used to win games mainly down to Henry or RVP so many times when we were under the cosh.


You want us to gamble millions on panic buy in January, or do it the right way in the summer for the long term. We don't want another.misfit kicking around for years. Let's do it right.

This is its own gamble I accept that, but it the better gamble imo. We are still 4th.

Dont make 4th and next season could well be Laca and Eddie again , no one of note will come with no CL, you will be signing a lesser maybe he can make it, time will tell
Im over f***ing around for 4th and being told we are super stars
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Ach » Fri May 13, 2022 8:44 pm

Parzival38 wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:That's not the point is it.

The point is when you "had" a top striker and now you sell him on, we were supposed to replace him with someone fit for that role.

We needed to replace our 1st choice, not fall back on 2nd and 3rd choice to get us 4th, despite Nketiah having some good games fair play, but you can't tell me a top striker wouldn't of given us the belief and firepower to get over the line.

We used to win games mainly down to Henry or RVP so many times when we were under the cosh.


You want us to gamble millions on panic buy in January, or do it the right way in the summer for the long term. We don't want another.misfit kicking around for years. Let's do it right.

This is its own gamble I accept that, but it the better gamble imo. We are still 4th.

A cop out

We needed a striker in January. Needed one last summer. Failed in both
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Parzival38 » Fri May 13, 2022 8:58 pm

Agree, but better to do it right and not gamble. All his buys last summer bar Tavares have been great this season
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Fri May 13, 2022 9:01 pm

Ach wrote:
Parzival38 wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:That's not the point is it.

The point is when you "had" a top striker and now you sell him on, we were supposed to replace him with someone fit for that role.

We needed to replace our 1st choice, not fall back on 2nd and 3rd choice to get us 4th, despite Nketiah having some good games fair play, but you can't tell me a top striker wouldn't of given us the belief and firepower to get over the line.

We used to win games mainly down to Henry or RVP so many times when we were under the cosh.


You want us to gamble millions on panic buy in January, or do it the right way in the summer for the long term. We don't want another.misfit kicking around for years. Let's do it right.

This is its own gamble I accept that, but it the better gamble imo. We are still 4th.

A cop out

We needed a striker in January. Needed one last summer. Failed in both


Completely agree.

Terrible planning, plus if you don’t find a striker you don’t giveaway your best one.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Fri May 13, 2022 9:02 pm

Parzival38 wrote:Agree, but better to do it right and not gamble. All his buys last summer bar Tavares have been great this season


Lokonga has also been rubbish.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Ach » Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 pm

Parzival38 wrote:Agree, but better to do it right and not gamble. All his buys last summer bar Tavares have been great this season

Lokonga says hi

Tomiyasu has done well but dead for majority of the 2nd half of the season.

White hit and miss

Ramsdale has done great

Odegaard is ozilesque
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri May 13, 2022 9:09 pm

Parzival38 wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:That's not the point is it.

The point is when you "had" a top striker and now you sell him on, we were supposed to replace him with someone fit for that role.

We needed to replace our 1st choice, not fall back on 2nd and 3rd choice to get us 4th, despite Nketiah having some good games fair play, but you can't tell me a top striker wouldn't of given us the belief and firepower to get over the line.

We used to win games mainly down to Henry or RVP so many times when we were under the cosh.


You want us to gamble millions on panic buy in January, or do it the right way in the summer for the long term. We don't want another.misfit kicking around for years. Let's do it right.

This is its own gamble I accept that, but it the better gamble imo. We are still 4th.


Who said anything about a panic buy?

What's our Scout team for, making the tea's?

If there was proper planning going on we should of had a plan A,B and C, we moved quickly enough to get shot of Auba so we should of had targets, the only one they went for was Vlahovic, that in itself is an admission that they knew we needed a CF.

Also one thing I'll mention is this, when your 8th and you say "We're only going to buy the right player" that is another term for, most of these "right players" are above our station and don't want to come here, you can't hold out for players who will simply turn us down.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby ag6789 » Fri May 13, 2022 9:57 pm

Maybe they're not keen on buying from outside, maybe they've decided to give academy boys more time to develop, maybe their timeline for growing the club from within doesn't match with yours.
Maybe Arteta and Edu had the backing of Ks in this , watching what's going on w/ most other clubs having knee jerk reactions.
Maybe 5th and couple more shrewd buys in summer and giving academy boys further opportunity to grow will bear mega fruit in future, just like ManU in the 90s.
It is really a small margin. Few tweaks here and there and you're suddenly challenging top dogs.
Maybe we shouldn't be so cynical and wait , watch and enjoy the development.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri May 13, 2022 10:31 pm

ag6789 wrote:Maybe they're not keen on buying from outside, maybe they've decided to give academy boys more time to develop, maybe their timeline for growing the club from within doesn't match with yours.
Maybe Arteta and Edu had the backing of Ks in this , watching what's going on w/ most other clubs having knee jerk reactions.
Maybe 5th and couple more shrewd buys in summer and giving academy boys further opportunity to grow will bear mega fruit in future, just like ManU in the 90s.
It is really a small margin. Few tweaks here and there and you're suddenly challenging top dogs.
Maybe we shouldn't be so cynical and wait , watch and enjoy the development.


..........Vlahovic isn't from our academy so without sounding rude, you're talking sht.

Which I know you are because we're also already lining up buys in the summer, so don't take my comment personally but we both know this isn't the case so lets not pretend.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Rockape » Sat May 14, 2022 1:29 pm

As DG says, we should have had plansA, B &C…..every successful business does! Of course the real damage was done when we failed to learn from the Ozil experience and awarded PEA a long and lucrative contract. That forced us into a panic disposal, rather than dropping him to the bench until he pulled himself together.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sat May 14, 2022 2:39 pm

ag6789 wrote:Auba was dire in last phase for us; for months really. He was tried everywhere up front every day ...but to no avail. Same w/ Lacaztte...no dearth of chances, but didn't fire.
Both can't complain about chances. Especially Auba. First name in the team sheet for almost all his tenure w/ us , barring the last month.
Then he forces the leave.
Maybe another pro-Arsenal guy will show up and take over the mantle in near future.

Both can complain about chances when the manager is incapable of setting up the team to be effective offensively. We could have Ronaldo and Messi up front but if you don't give them chances they can't score. We went through periods of the worst offensive ineptness I have ever seen
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby ag6789 » Sat May 14, 2022 2:48 pm

If you keep missing the open net from 4-5 yards little can anyone do anything for you. Kept happening on and on and everyone complained. Old story. Their lack of goals have been compensated by ESR and Saka. 11 goals each.
Midfield has stepped up when they failed.
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