Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Highbury Hillbilly]

It surprises me that Arteta doesn’t see the value of buying creative midfielders when he played next to Cazorla and coached KdB, Silva and Bernardo.

He buys mids that remind him of himself: slow sideways passers.

[Salibatelli]

Love how u all talk about players ,but nobody talks about Guendouzi whos playing amazingly in France and just imagine if we had a better manager MANAGING HIM how much money we can make off that guy even if we don't want him.
AMN was 20M player could've easily gotten that.We're not using him at all and we have no intention of using him.Playing 1 game here and there isnt enough to have this kind of a player on the bench when ur never using him.
Saliba situation is a joke simple as that.
Getting nothing for Nketiah and Lacazette is completely unacceptable.
As a club u should never allow any players under the age of 31 to leave on a free unless injury prone or other issues its as simple as that.

Talking about Guendouzi:

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/guendouzi-arteta-partey-arsenal-xhaka-22393501

[Salibatelli]

Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.

We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.

As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?

It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.

Nice skirting around the issue Jay. This has noting to do with a player's demands, it has to do with a manager coming in and discarding perfectly good players because he is incapable of working out how to get the best out of them.

You yourself was Nketiah's biggest champion on the forum, he couldn't stop scoring for the England U21s, he has played a bit part for Arsenal so its hard to expect a player to perform to his best while not getting game time. Instead of him dwindling away on the sides he should've gone out on loan.

AMN is leaving because he feels under-valued, no shit Sherlock. He is not Arsenal level, but he is better than Xhaka and can do more than Elneny although Elneny is more dependable.

Pablo Mari, why the hell did we buy him ? Again, a purchase that Arteta made and now is clueless as to how to play him. Just more of Arteta's scattergun approach to football management, pure trial and error.

Partey, an absolute beast in La Liga, comes to Arsenal with Arteta's brand of football and looks like he was plucked from a Sunday kickabout in one of the parks around Holloway.

Cedric should never have been bought, another useless Arteta purchase.

Pepe, a player all Arsenal fans were excited about when we were linked with him, especially because of the price and then his last season in France you could see why he came with such a high price tag. Currently reduced to sitting on the bench. Been an unused sub 7 times this season, 3 of which we lost. Arteta has no freeking clue how to play him, Arteta is so one dimensional its a joke.

Torreira was a perfectly good specialist DM, Emery out of spite for Ozil tried to make Torreira more offensive, it backfired massively. Arteta came in and Torreira got no love and was shipped out. Many people have been saying we need a defacto DM - we have one, Arteta is just too stupid to work it out.

Then you have Saliba, one of the most expensive teenagers in history, shipped out to France because Arteta didn't think he was ready, but he immediately started putting in MoTM performances and has been acknowledged as one of the best defenders in Ligue 1. Arteta's limited skillset means he is unable to develop players - or by the look of it - coach them !!

Any decent manager could get Pepe, Partey, Torreira and Saliba firing, I'm gonna leave it at those 4 for now.

Lol, which perfectly good players?
I can't see any mentioned.
You complain about lowering expectations and not competing with Liverpool , City etc,, and then you bug up Torriera, Saliba, Pepe et al.
Good grief.
Those kind of players will NEVER get us back on track,

Neither will a 50 million defender who backs off attackers whenever he is faced with anyone decent or a CM that make mistakes regularly.

[Nuggets]

6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.

Becoming a pattern now. Even emery hadn't lost this many when the players downed tools

Thoughts J lol

4pts from top 4 and in the race for CL positions.
Losses are part of football for all teams.
The points we gain is important - 3 draws and no losses is the same as 1 win and 2 losses.
As usual Doomers focused on the wrong thing as they have their collective meltdown every time we lose a game.

They are my thoughts.

Well your boy is consistent if nothing else lol

[theHotHead]

Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.

We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.

As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?

It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.

Nice skirting around the issue Jay. This has noting to do with a player's demands, it has to do with a manager coming in and discarding perfectly good players because he is incapable of working out how to get the best out of them.

You yourself was Nketiah's biggest champion on the forum, he couldn't stop scoring for the England U21s, he has played a bit part for Arsenal so its hard to expect a player to perform to his best while not getting game time. Instead of him dwindling away on the sides he should've gone out on loan.

AMN is leaving because he feels under-valued, no shit Sherlock. He is not Arsenal level, but he is better than Xhaka and can do more than Elneny although Elneny is more dependable.

Pablo Mari, why the hell did we buy him ? Again, a purchase that Arteta made and now is clueless as to how to play him. Just more of Arteta's scattergun approach to football management, pure trial and error.

Partey, an absolute beast in La Liga, comes to Arsenal with Arteta's brand of football and looks like he was plucked from a Sunday kickabout in one of the parks around Holloway.

Cedric should never have been bought, another useless Arteta purchase.

Pepe, a player all Arsenal fans were excited about when we were linked with him, especially because of the price and then his last season in France you could see why he came with such a high price tag. Currently reduced to sitting on the bench. Been an unused sub 7 times this season, 3 of which we lost. Arteta has no freeking clue how to play him, Arteta is so one dimensional its a joke.

Torreira was a perfectly good specialist DM, Emery out of spite for Ozil tried to make Torreira more offensive, it backfired massively. Arteta came in and Torreira got no love and was shipped out. Many people have been saying we need a defacto DM - we have one, Arteta is just too stupid to work it out.

Then you have Saliba, one of the most expensive teenagers in history, shipped out to France because Arteta didn't think he was ready, but he immediately started putting in MoTM performances and has been acknowledged as one of the best defenders in Ligue 1. Arteta's limited skillset means he is unable to develop players - or by the look of it - coach them !!

Any decent manager could get Pepe, Partey, Torreira and Saliba firing, I'm gonna leave it at those 4 for now.

Lol, which perfectly good players?
I can't see any mentioned.
You complain about lowering expectations and not competing with Liverpool , City etc,, and then you bug up Torriera, Saliba, Pepe et al.
Good grief.
Those kind of players will NEVER get us back on track,

Every one of those players is better at their job than the manager is at his job.

6 losses in 15 games, I didn't realise it was quite that bad Arteta is useless, not even the defence/defending is fixed. This journey needs to end now, all we are doing is wasting time and money with him.

The worst thing that could've happened is him winning the FA Cup, we'll never get rid of him in a timely manner.

[theHotHead]

It surprises me that Arteta doesn’t see the value of buying creative midfielders when he played next to Cazorla and coached KdB, Silva and Bernardo.

Lets get one thing straight, Arteta can't coach a fart!! There is no way he coached anyone at Man City, have you not seen how shit he is with our players?? Half of them he has just punted out because he is just a one dimensional clown. Im pretty sure all he did at City was put the cones out and hand out the bibs

[theHotHead]

Im waiting for someone to say he had better players to coach at Man City. So what you are saying is he can only coach the best players in the world who - are the best players in the world so don't need much coaching anyway.

Worst coach ever!

[jayramfootball]

Im waiting for someone to say he had better players to coach at Man City. So what you are saying is he can only coach the best players in the world who - are the best players in the world so don't need much coaching anyway.

Worst coach ever!

You are in the middle of a meltdown HH.
I must say, it is odd.
The level of venting is more akin to something just post match.

p.s. he had better players to coach at City

[theHotHead]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

[jayramfootball]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.

As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.

Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good

Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)

Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?

Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him

Who else???

We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel

Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.

[firfi]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.

As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.

Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good

Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)

Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?

Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him

Who else???

We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel

Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.

Tell me what did he do to the value of Guendouzi?Torreira?Pepe?AMN?NKETIAH?LACAZETTE?

[theHotHead]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.

As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.

Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good

Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)

Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?

Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him

Who else???

We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel

Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.

Wait, so just because a player can run and not trip over his own feet he is a hit ?!!!

Ramsdale - comfortably the best keeper Arsenal have had in a decade and could well become world class. - HIT
Ben White - An "ok" CB, better than some of the calamitous CBs that came before him. Has not done anything yet to suggest he is a hit. Decent signing
Tomiyasu - a good RB, good defensively, ok going forward, more of a RB than RWB, much better than what we had before - HIT
Gabriel - was a hit from the first few games he played - HIT
Tavares - not better than Tierney, has a good turn of pace and energy, prone to mistakes. Yet to see if he is a hit. Decent signing.
Lakonga - been our best CM, but thats not saying much. I personally like him but not seen enough to say hit. Decent signing.
Odegaard - beginning to get goal output, again, a player I like but removing bias, decent signing.
Mari - move along, nothing to see here. MISS
Partey - putting aside my obvious like of the guy he has mostly been shite - MISS

No point going into the rest of them.

Auba, Partey, Torreira, Laca, Saliba, Pepe, AMN, Martinelli, Guendouzi, all players worth less now than they were worth before Arteta took over

[jayramfootball]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.

As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.

Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good

Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)

Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?

Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him

Who else???

We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel

Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.

Tell me what did he do to the value of Guendouzi?Torreira?Pepe?AMN?NKETIAH?LACAZETTE?

Nothing as far as I can tell.
Some of those players have been shit and their value has gone down.
Others decided to let their contracts run down.

I asked these questions before and no one could answer...

You have a player who is not playing well. Do you play him or not, knowing his value might go down if you don't?
You have a player who decides to let their contract run down to get a big pay day ... what do you do if no one wants to buy them or the player refuses to leave?

Some players value will always go down because there are only 11 spots in a team and the best players should get the majority of game time.

The most important thing is that the assets you hold overall are appreciating _ I think we have that now, for the first time in a long time.

The angle of picking out players asset values as a reason to bash the manager is one of the most nonsensical arguments of all.
As if it actually matters.
I don't want an accountant picking the team thanks.

[firfi]

Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.

He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?

Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching

Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.

As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.

Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good

Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)

Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?

Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him

Who else???

We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel

Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.

Tell me what did he do to the value of Guendouzi?Torreira?Pepe?AMN?NKETIAH?LACAZETTE?

Nothing as far as I can tell.
Some of those players have been shit and their value has gone down.
Others decided to let their contracts run down.

I asked these questions before and no one could answer...

You have a player who is not playing well. Do you play him or not, knowing his value might go down if you don't?
You have a player who decides to let their contract run down to get a big pay day ... what do you do if no one wants to buy them or the player refuses to leave?

Some players value will always go down because there are only 11 spots in a team and the best players should get the majority of game time.

The most important thing is that the assets you hold overall are appreciating _ I think we have that now, for the first time in a long time.

The angle of picking out players asset values as a reason to bash the manager is one of the most nonsensical arguments of all.
As if it actually matters.
I don't want an accountant picking the team thanks.

IF u have players not playing well u manage them.That's what great managers do.
Every Manager if he has the title in it is accountant as well as coach.
Examples are countless ,but by far u coach the player u train him hard during ur training sessions and u give him minutes when the game is over when ur leading 2-3 : 0 and in carling cup ,european games without meaning and FA CUP GAMES.
He's just not managing the players well and let alone coaching them.
Nketiah has been in the squad for 2 seasons w/o a loan and not given the right game time vs weaker teams to get him going and then vs better teams minutes here and there.Not starting out of nowhere ,because u had feud with ur other strikers.Same with Balogun 2 seasons 0 loans few minutes here and there.We're playing Carling cup or whatever the name of that cup is now and they're not getting minutes in those games.
Second of all you don't change ur whole squad ,but u put selected few players like 4-5 players that are squad players so they can blend in with ur main squad and same goes for Europa League.
We're playing for example vs Wimbeldon FC AMN has a insanely good game gets Man of the match and hes nowhere to be seen since?
Last year we played Europa League with second team.LITERALLY 11 different players and how do u expect them to blend in with the first team ?If they never play together apart from training sessions.
Thats why u never put novice on a big job.
Hes the most inexperienced manager leading a big club.
Chelsea tried it when they had no transfers and it was season they can just skip basically and next season after getting transfers in few months in the season SACK RIGHT AWAY ,cause if u have ambitions u get experienced manager to lead ur club.
Man UNITED have better players than us ,but they were failing hard because they had MANAGER that's way over his head ,but at least he was manager before he went there ,which doesnt change the fact that he was still complete shit and they dragged it like joke of a club they are.
AND THEN THERE IS ARSENAL.

ARTETA has changed the narrative from getting old AF players in a free trying to do a thing last season to getting new and young players in the summer and saying we need to be patient because we have new project.
Next season hes gonna say no scrap that we get experienced players and we start new project.
Truth is Arsenal are 8th 8th and 7th CURRENTLY with the worst football i've seen this club play during my lifetime and this man somehow made PPL ON THE BOARD AND SOME DELUDED FANS THINK THAT IS OUR SPOT AS A CLUB.
HE NEEDED TO BE SACKED YESTERDAY!!!!!!!
Doesn't matter really who we get everyone is better.
I'd go for Potter since we can't really get anyone good right now.

[jayramfootball]

^ sorry dude that is a wall of text.
If you clean it up a bit I will read it.