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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:19 pm

Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:28 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.


We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.

As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?

It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:35 pm

theHotHead wrote:Arteta is reducing the value of all of Kroenke's assets, its like he is a financial hit man. £45m you say, I'll soon get it down to £20m.


How is he doing that then?
Which players??
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:06 am

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Arteta is reducing the value of all of Kroenke's assets, its like he is a financial hit man. £45m you say, I'll soon get it down to £20m.


How is he doing that then?
Which players??


My God you really do have rose coloured glasses on don't you. :rofll: :rofll:
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:13 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.


We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.

As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?

It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.

Nice skirting around the issue Jay. This has noting to do with a player's demands, it has to do with a manager coming in and discarding perfectly good players because he is incapable of working out how to get the best out of them.

You yourself was Nketiah's biggest champion on the forum, he couldn't stop scoring for the England U21s, he has played a bit part for Arsenal so its hard to expect a player to perform to his best while not getting game time. Instead of him dwindling away on the sides he should've gone out on loan.

AMN is leaving because he feels under-valued, no shit Sherlock. He is not Arsenal level, but he is better than Xhaka and can do more than Elneny although Elneny is more dependable.

Pablo Mari, why the hell did we buy him ? Again, a purchase that Arteta made and now is clueless as to how to play him. Just more of Arteta's scattergun approach to football management, pure trial and error.

Partey, an absolute beast in La Liga, comes to Arsenal with Arteta's brand of football and looks like he was plucked from a Sunday kickabout in one of the parks around Holloway.

Cedric should never have been bought, another useless Arteta purchase.

Pepe, a player all Arsenal fans were excited about when we were linked with him, especially because of the price and then his last season in France you could see why he came with such a high price tag. Currently reduced to sitting on the bench. Been an unused sub 7 times this season, 3 of which we lost. Arteta has no freeking clue how to play him, Arteta is so one dimensional its a joke.

Torreira was a perfectly good specialist DM, Emery out of spite for Ozil tried to make Torreira more offensive, it backfired massively. Arteta came in and Torreira got no love and was shipped out. Many people have been saying we need a defacto DM - we have one, Arteta is just too stupid to work it out.

Then you have Saliba, one of the most expensive teenagers in history, shipped out to France because Arteta didn't think he was ready, but he immediately started putting in MoTM performances and has been acknowledged as one of the best defenders in Ligue 1. Arteta's limited skillset means he is unable to develop players - or by the look of it - coach them !!

Any decent manager could get Pepe, Partey, Torreira and Saliba firing, I'm gonna leave it at those 4 for now.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby firfi » Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:54 pm

Love how u all talk about players ,but nobody talks about Guendouzi whos playing amazingly in France and just imagine if we had a better manager MANAGING HIM how much money we can make off that guy even if we don't want him.
AMN was 20M player could've easily gotten that.We're not using him at all and we have no intention of using him.Playing 1 game here and there isnt enough to have this kind of a player on the bench when ur never using him.
Saliba situation is a joke simple as that.
Getting nothing for Nketiah and Lacazette is completely unacceptable.
As a club u should never allow any players under the age of 31 to leave on a free unless injury prone or other issues its as simple as that.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:08 pm

6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:20 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.


Becoming a pattern now. Even emery hadn't lost this many when the players downed tools

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:30 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.


Becoming a pattern now. Even emery hadn't lost this many when the players downed tools


Thats bad, even wenger at his worst wasn't this bad
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:08 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.

Apparently this is much better than expected though lol

You have to ask what was expected if this is much better
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:28 pm

Ach wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.

Apparently this is much better than expected though lol

You have to ask what was expected if this is much better

Don't no, massive fuxk up not getting conte
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:01 pm

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:

1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)

Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.


We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.

As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?

It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.

Nice skirting around the issue Jay. This has noting to do with a player's demands, it has to do with a manager coming in and discarding perfectly good players because he is incapable of working out how to get the best out of them.

You yourself was Nketiah's biggest champion on the forum, he couldn't stop scoring for the England U21s, he has played a bit part for Arsenal so its hard to expect a player to perform to his best while not getting game time. Instead of him dwindling away on the sides he should've gone out on loan.

AMN is leaving because he feels under-valued, no shit Sherlock. He is not Arsenal level, but he is better than Xhaka and can do more than Elneny although Elneny is more dependable.

Pablo Mari, why the hell did we buy him ? Again, a purchase that Arteta made and now is clueless as to how to play him. Just more of Arteta's scattergun approach to football management, pure trial and error.

Partey, an absolute beast in La Liga, comes to Arsenal with Arteta's brand of football and looks like he was plucked from a Sunday kickabout in one of the parks around Holloway.

Cedric should never have been bought, another useless Arteta purchase.

Pepe, a player all Arsenal fans were excited about when we were linked with him, especially because of the price and then his last season in France you could see why he came with such a high price tag. Currently reduced to sitting on the bench. Been an unused sub 7 times this season, 3 of which we lost. Arteta has no freeking clue how to play him, Arteta is so one dimensional its a joke.

Torreira was a perfectly good specialist DM, Emery out of spite for Ozil tried to make Torreira more offensive, it backfired massively. Arteta came in and Torreira got no love and was shipped out. Many people have been saying we need a defacto DM - we have one, Arteta is just too stupid to work it out.

Then you have Saliba, one of the most expensive teenagers in history, shipped out to France because Arteta didn't think he was ready, but he immediately started putting in MoTM performances and has been acknowledged as one of the best defenders in Ligue 1. Arteta's limited skillset means he is unable to develop players - or by the look of it - coach them !!

Any decent manager could get Pepe, Partey, Torreira and Saliba firing, I'm gonna leave it at those 4 for now.


Lol, which perfectly good players? :rofll:
I can't see any mentioned.
You complain about lowering expectations and not competing with Liverpool , City etc,, and then you bug up Torriera, Saliba, Pepe et al.
Good grief.
Those kind of players will NEVER get us back on track,
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:02 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.


Becoming a pattern now. Even emery hadn't lost this many when the players downed tools



Thoughts J lol
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:06 pm

Nuggets wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:6ls in 15 and a minus goal difference mear Christmas shouldn't be accepted as our standards.


Becoming a pattern now. Even emery hadn't lost this many when the players downed tools



Thoughts J lol



4pts from top 4 and in the race for CL positions.
Losses are part of football for all teams.
The points we gain is important - 3 draws and no losses is the same as 1 win and 2 losses.
As usual Doomers focused on the wrong thing as they have their collective meltdown every time we lose a game.

They are my thoughts.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:19 pm

It surprises me that Arteta doesn’t see the value of buying creative midfielders when he played next to Cazorla and coached KdB, Silva and Bernardo.
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