theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:When we are conceding 4s and 5s I would suggest we haven't improved at all, these are not normal losses, these are the worst level Wenger losses
A club like Arsenal, the 3rd most successful club in England that considers it's peers to be Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea should never be spanked by 4s and 5s, we should be beaten by 2 goals, a bad day a 3-1 loss max!!
These 4s and 5s are an embarrassment, its what you would expect a top team to beat a bottom team by, not your freekin peers!!!
We are 8 points better off than we were last season at the same stage.
We've improved where it matters.
We lost 4-0 to Liverpool at Anfield in Wenger's prime years.
We also lost 6-1 to Utd in those prime years
Lost 3-0 AT HOME to Middlesborough too.
All in the same year we finished 2nd.
Or how about 97-98 when we won the title - lost 4-0 to Liverpool at Anfield too... granted that was after we had already clinched the title... but you did say it should 'never' happen.
Or how about the 06/7 season, lost 4-1 to Liverpool at Anfield
Losing 4-1 AT HOME to Chelsea in the 08/09 season?
8-2 loss to Utd in 11/12 season?
13/14 season where we finished 4th?
Lost 6-0 to Chelsea, 5-1 to Liverpool and 6-3 to Man City
17/18 season lost 4-0 to Liverpool at Anfield.
18/19 season lost 5-1 to Liverpool at Anfield
Seems to me this has been happening fairly often over the last 25 years, including to one of (if not THE) best teams we've ever had.
But, Arteta, right?
f**k me Jay, you got the point!! Its not just about Arteta its about that dumbass Emery that continued to do the same and Wenger that started the trend. I never accepted we should be beaten by any peer by those ridiculous goal margins but what I did expect was whichever manager came in would pay a bit of attention to our defending.
Emery didn't. Arteta did and kudos to him, last season we didn't get any 4 or 5 goal spankings at all. But we are back to it this season.
The team during Wenger's best years also lost games like that.
Sometimes it happens.
We've had two this year - City game we had a man sent off and and a defence that had NONE of our current starters in it.
The current team lost 4-0 to Liverpool. Not going to get overly dramatic about it. We were defending well against them until Tavares' mistake. He's young, raw and new to the PL. It happens.
Overall the defence has looked solid enough.