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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:43 pm

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jayramfootball wrote:More... since the awful start in the first 3 games, Arsenal have officially, according to the quality of chances created, been the 4th most creative team in the league - only just behind Man City and Chelsea, with Liverpool way out on their own at the top.

Over the whole season, including those first 3 games, we are the 7th most creative team in the league.

Jay you know I am gonna rip this to shreds!!! 4th most creative team in the league allegedly but still have a negative goal difference


Makes no sense. We have a negative difference because we got done by City and Chelsea and Liverpool by a combined 11-0.
Has nothing to do with our creativity over the last 10 gaffes or even over all 13.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:51 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:More... since the awful start in the first 3 games, Arsenal have officially, according to the quality of chances created, been the 4th most creative team in the league - only just behind Man City and Chelsea, with Liverpool way out on their own at the top.

Over the whole season, including those first 3 games, we are the 7th most creative team in the league.

Jay you know I am gonna rip this to shreds!!! 4th most creative team in the league allegedly but still have a negative goal difference


Makes no sense. We have a negative difference because we got done by City and Chelsea and Liverpool by a combined 11-0.
Has nothing to do with our creativity over the last 10 gaffes or even over all 13.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby ag6789 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:05 pm

Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:47 am

jayramfootball wrote:
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jayramfootball wrote:More... since the awful start in the first 3 games, Arsenal have officially, according to the quality of chances created, been the 4th most creative team in the league - only just behind Man City and Chelsea, with Liverpool way out on their own at the top.

Over the whole season, including those first 3 games, we are the 7th most creative team in the league.

Jay you know I am gonna rip this to shreds!!! 4th most creative team in the league allegedly but still have a negative goal difference


Makes no sense. We have a negative difference because we got done by City and Chelsea and Liverpool by a combined 11-0.
Has nothing to do with our creativity over the last 10 gaffes or even over all 13.

Ahhh yes, you and your selective time periods.

Getting whopped by 9 goals in 2 games is gonna give problems to recover, but so to is scoring 1 goal against bottom of the table Norwich, scoring 1 goal against bottom 3 Burnley, not scoring against Brighton and scoring 1 goal against a Watford in turmoil!!
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby LMAO » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:09 am

ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.


Yup.

And as Mourinho and Klopp have said, "It's better to lose 5-0 once than 1-0 five times."
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:00 am

ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.

Pure loser attitude.

So you are ok with us being a top 6 club at best then?!! Because historically Liverpool, Man City, Man U and Chelsea hand our arses to us!!
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:02 am

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ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.


Yup.

And as Mourinho and Klopp have said, "It's better to lose 5-0 once than 1-0 five times."

When was the last time Klopp lost ANY match 5-0?!! When did peak Maureen lose any match 5-0?!!!

Its an every season occurrence with us, its shameful.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:03 am

theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.

Pure loser attitude.

So you are ok with us being a top 6 club at best then?!!


What?
In the scenario above which you are calling a loser mentality, we'd have been top of the league after 10 games.
You seem to have an obsession with the big games in a season. They only yield 3 points and are no more important than a game against Newcastle. The PL is about how you perform vs other teams against ALL teams in the league.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:09 am

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.

Pure loser attitude.

So you are ok with us being a top 6 club at best then?!!


What?
In the scenario above which you are calling a loser mentality, we'd have been top of the league after 10 games.
You seem to have an obsession with the big games in a season. They only yield 3 points and are no more important than a game against Newcastle. The PL is about how you perform vs other teams against ALL teams in the league.

He's talking about picking up the easy points against teams that won't beat us, but its not just 2 games a season we get spanked in, its more than that. Don't forget, we have to play Liverpool and Man City twice, then run the gauntlet with Chelsea, twice. Then depending on who is managing Man U, with the team they have, any semi competent manager will get them playing and then that's another potential 2 ass whoopings!!

So if our play is to only pick up the easy points top 5 is the best we can hope for which is a loser's mentality
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:50 am

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jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.

Pure loser attitude.

So you are ok with us being a top 6 club at best then?!!


What?
In the scenario above which you are calling a loser mentality, we'd have been top of the league after 10 games.
You seem to have an obsession with the big games in a season. They only yield 3 points and are no more important than a game against Newcastle. The PL is about how you perform vs other teams against ALL teams in the league.

He's talking about picking up the easy points against teams that won't beat us, but its not just 2 games a season we get spanked in, its more than that. Don't forget, we have to play Liverpool and Man City twice, then run the gauntlet with Chelsea, twice. Then depending on who is managing Man U, with the team they have, any semi competent manager will get them playing and then that's another potential 2 ass whoopings!!

So if our play is to only pick up the easy points top 5 is the best we can hope for which is a loser's mentality


Nonsense - if we lost ALL our games to Liverpool , Chelsea, Man City and another - like Utd, and won all the others we'd likely be champions.
Winning against any team is 3 points. Who you lose to is unimportant - it's only important that you pick up enough points, no matter where they come from.
As it happens, Arteta's record is not at all bad against the top teams in the league.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:11 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.

Pure loser attitude.

So you are ok with us being a top 6 club at best then?!!


What?
In the scenario above which you are calling a loser mentality, we'd have been top of the league after 10 games.
You seem to have an obsession with the big games in a season. They only yield 3 points and are no more important than a game against Newcastle. The PL is about how you perform vs other teams against ALL teams in the league.

He's talking about picking up the easy points against teams that won't beat us, but its not just 2 games a season we get spanked in, its more than that. Don't forget, we have to play Liverpool and Man City twice, then run the gauntlet with Chelsea, twice. Then depending on who is managing Man U, with the team they have, any semi competent manager will get them playing and then that's another potential 2 ass whoopings!!

So if our play is to only pick up the easy points top 5 is the best we can hope for which is a loser's mentality


Nonsense - if we lost ALL our games to Liverpool , Chelsea, Man City and another - like Utd, and won all the others we'd likely be champions.
Winning against any team is 3 points. Who you lose to is unimportant - it's only important that you pick up enough points, no matter where they come from.
As it happens, Arteta's record is not at all bad against the top teams in the league.

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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby LMAO » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:12 am

theHotHead wrote:
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ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.


Yup.

And as Mourinho and Klopp have said, "It's better to lose 5-0 once than 1-0 five times."

When was the last time Klopp lost ANY match 5-0?!! When did peak Maureen lose any match 5-0?!!!

Its an every season occurrence with us, its shameful.


Klopp:
Aston Villa 5-0 Liverpool on December 19, 2019 (League Cup)
Manchester City 5-0 Liverpool on September 9, 2017 (Premier League)

Mourinho:
Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid on November 29, 2010 (La Liga)

Arteta has lost 5-0 once (City this season), so no, it's not an every season occurrence.

Before that, the last time Arsenal lost by at least 5 goals without scoring was March 22, 2014 when we lost 6-0 at Stamford Bridge for Wenger's 1,000th game in charge.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:33 am

LMAO wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
LMAO wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.


Yup.

And as Mourinho and Klopp have said, "It's better to lose 5-0 once than 1-0 five times."

When was the last time Klopp lost ANY match 5-0?!! When did peak Maureen lose any match 5-0?!!!

Its an every season occurrence with us, its shameful.


Klopp:
Aston Villa 5-0 Liverpool on December 19, 2019 (League Cup)
Manchester City 5-0 Liverpool on September 9, 2017 (Premier League)

Mourinho:
Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid on November 29, 2010 (La Liga)

Arteta has lost 5-0 once (City this season), so no, it's not an every season occurrence.

Before that, the last time Arsenal lost by at least 5 goals without scoring was March 22, 2014 when we lost 6-0 at Stamford Bridge for Wenger's 1,000th game in charge.


I remember that 1000th game mauling.
It was Arteta‘a fault.
He should be sacked because of that alone.
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby theHotHead » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:28 pm

LMAO wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
LMAO wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Would rather have two big defeats conceding 11 goals followed by 10 1-0 victories than two big wins and 10 marginal defeats. Easy math. 30 points as opposed to 6pts.


Yup.

And as Mourinho and Klopp have said, "It's better to lose 5-0 once than 1-0 five times."

When was the last time Klopp lost ANY match 5-0?!! When did peak Maureen lose any match 5-0?!!!

Its an every season occurrence with us, its shameful.


Klopp:
Aston Villa 5-0 Liverpool on December 19, 2019 (League Cup)
Manchester City 5-0 Liverpool on September 9, 2017 (Premier League)

Mourinho:
Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid on November 29, 2010 (La Liga)

Arteta has lost 5-0 once (City this season), so no, it's not an every season occurrence.

Before that, the last time Arsenal lost by at least 5 goals without scoring was March 22, 2014 when we lost 6-0 at Stamford Bridge for Wenger's 1,000th game in charge.

Its not just the 5s its the 4s and 5s!!

However upon further research I found that Klopp has in fact had a fair few 4s in his Liverpool career and a 7-2 loss vs Villa!!

League games only, nobody cares about cup games
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Re: Creativity & Chance Conversion

Postby starmandb » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:58 pm

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:More... since the awful start in the first 3 games, Arsenal have officially, according to the quality of chances created, been the 4th most creative team in the league - only just behind Man City and Chelsea, with Liverpool way out on their own at the top.

Over the whole season, including those first 3 games, we are the 7th most creative team in the league.

Jay you know I am gonna rip this to shreds!!! 4th most creative team in the league allegedly but still have a negative goal difference


Makes no sense. We have a negative difference because we got done by City and Chelsea and Liverpool by a combined 11-0.
Has nothing to do with our creativity over the last 10 gaffes or even over all 13.

Ahhh yes, you and your selective time periods.

Getting whopped by 9 goals in 2 games is gonna give problems to recover, but so to is scoring 1 goal against bottom of the table Norwich, scoring 1 goal against bottom 3 Burnley, not scoring against Brighton and scoring 1 goal against a Watford in turmoil!!

Man City scored none against Crystal Palace and got beat
Chelsea got 1 against Burnley
They only drew and were at home
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