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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:42 pm

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Highbury Hillbilly wrote:^^ I'm not nearly as optimistic.

January-Feb presents a looming disaster that is AFCON. Partey gone + Xhaka back in the team. PEA + Pepe also gone.

We aren't linked with anybody decent in the Jan window.

Utd will experience a bounce with Ragnick. They are only 3 pts behind us at this stage, and their only real weakness has been lack of direction under Ole.


That bit will be bad but we do have options.

Get Martinelli back to scratch so he can play up front with Laca, Pepe isn't even playing anyway and Xhaka, Elneny, Lokonga will have to step up for Partey.

Its not great but we can manage, I agree though, a striker in January is looking more important than ever now.

The big spanner in your plan is Arteta, he is incapable of creating a cohesive attack and he is incapable of getting the best out of Martinelli
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby ag6789 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:46 pm

AMN for Elneny. Other than Auba, rest is not a huge loss. Partey still feeling the waters at Arsenal even now.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:51 pm

ag6789 wrote:AMN for Elneny. Other than Auba, rest is not a huge loss. Partey still feeling the waters at Arsenal even now.


Our unbeaten run started when Xhaka was first out through injury. We underestimate just how vulnerable he makes us.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:14 pm

Yeah I think we could be in a bit of trouble, Partey and Auba are two of our limited number of senior players.

That's not great at all, buy a striker in January, Laca's going in summer anyway.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:16 am

Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Arsenal Tone » Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:25 am

theHotHead wrote:Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.
Throw in home and away stats. Also, how are you defining 'top six'? Last season? Current?
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:53 am

theHotHead wrote:Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.


So?
Seems like an improvement over 17/18 and I daresay better than we were doing than under many of Wenger's final years.
Irrelevant , though. The league has 20 teams in it and there are 108 points to play for, not 30.

To make it a bit clearer, if we lost 10-0 to Liverpool twice, but finished above them in the league, WE would be the superior team.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:09 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.


So?
Seems like an improvement over 17/18 and I daresay better than we were doing than under many of Wenger's final years.
Irrelevant , though. The league has 20 teams in it and there are 108 points to play for, not 30.

To make it a bit clearer, if we lost 10-0 to Liverpool twice, but finished above them in the league, WE would be the superior team.

Arteta did worst in his first full season than Emery did in his first full season. Your extreme argument to make your point is hot air.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:36 pm

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.


So?
Seems like an improvement over 17/18 and I daresay better than we were doing than under many of Wenger's final years.
Irrelevant , though. The league has 20 teams in it and there are 108 points to play for, not 30.

To make it a bit clearer, if we lost 10-0 to Liverpool twice, but finished above them in the league, WE would be the superior team.

Arteta did worst in his first full season than Emery did in his first full season. Your extreme argument to make your point is hot air.


So what if we won 3 and drew 1 instead of winning 3 and and drawing 3 under Emery?
That is a difference of 2 points.
There are 28 other games in the season to win points.
I don't care about 2 seasons ago or last season TBH.
THIS season we are level on points with 4th place and have continued the improved from we showed from Dec 2020.
Losing to Liverpool, City and Chelsea has not changed the fact that we are currently doing pretty well in the league.
We have a real shot of top 4 this season.
Let go of things that are already in the past.
The fact is that Arteta' position is secure because he is doing well and his summer signings have been superb (bar Odegaard).
You just sound as if you are bitter that Arteta is still the manager regardless of how is doing, trying to put a downer on things by focusing too much on the bad (exclusively in fact).

You went all in on Arteta out and refused to budge when things started going well. Honestly Arteta is making you look a bit foolish.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Arsenal Tone » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:53 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Lets look at our performances against the top 6 clubs:
2017-18. Played 10, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 6
2018-19. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 3, Lost 4
2019-20. Played 10, Won 2, Drew 3, Lost 5
2020-21. Played 10, Won 3, Drew 1, Lost 6.

This season so far, Played 4, Won 1, Lost 3.
Throw in home and away stats. Also, how are you defining 'top six'? Last season? Current?
Please? :dontknow:
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:01 pm

Hey man, we're 5th at the moment. Can't really knock it. The performances haven't been the most eye catching and we still have some players looking below par. Attack needs a lot of work still. But we're 5th. If we can improve in other areas, who knows where we could end up.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Goonerred » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:50 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Hey man, we're 5th at the moment. Can't really knock it. The performances haven't been the most eye catching and we still have some players looking below par. Attack needs a lot of work still. But we're 5th. If we can improve in other areas, who knows where we could end up.

That's what I thought, if we're fifth on the same points as 4th not playing that well, where will we be if we gain a bit more cohesion and consistency?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:52 pm

We'd be higher and challenging for the title. Minimum requirement this season.

We're failing.

It's the norm under Arteta
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Goonerred » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:55 pm

Ach wrote:We'd be higher and challenging for the title. Minimum requirement this season.

We're failing.

It's the norm under Arteta


I think getting top 4 is a minimum requrement at the moment.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:59 pm

Had we been in Europe and distracted by that then yeah. But we're not. Spent the most money this summer. We've been told umpteen times that we are in the goat form since last December up to now. That's 11 months.

A season is 9 months but is August to May. Let's see if we can do it when it matters

Title challenge it has to be
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