Arteta Out

[jayramfootball]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

[swipe right]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

[jayramfootball]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

Not from the Championship, though, eh...
Point is you referenced two players from a lower league winning a player of the week award in the Arteta Out thread.
In fact, what it shows is that both Arteta and the club made a brilliant decision to loan them. They are getting game time and improving. That is what loans are for. It's great management and is good for the club. Not so sure about Guendouzi, although Arteta said yesterday that the door is not closed on him, so stories about him being definitely gone are perhaps premature. Saliba has a couple of years left on his contract when he comes back. If he has improved to the level where he can actually start, it's a masterstroke by Arteta. We get a new player who can contribute or we get a bigger transfer fee than we could have got. Like I said, that is top management.

[swipe right]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

Not from the Championship, though, eh...
Point is you referenced two players from a lower league winning a player of the week award in the Arteta Out thread.
In fact, what it shows is that both Arteta and the club made a brilliant decision to loan them. They are getting game time and improving. That is what loans are for. It's great management and is good for the club. Not so sure about Guendouzi, although Arteta said yesterday that the door is not closed on him, so stories about him being definitely gone are perhaps premature. Saliba has a couple of years left on his contract when he comes back. If he has improved to the level where he can actually start, it's a masterstroke by Arteta. We get a new player who can contribute or we get a bigger transfer fee than we could have got. Like I said, that is top management.

Nope. He couldn’t handle Guendozi and he misjudged Saliba. Now he’s getting shown up. Trying to spin it into anything else is disingenuous. But keep trying.

[jayramfootball]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

Not from the Championship, though, eh...
Point is you referenced two players from a lower league winning a player of the week award in the Arteta Out thread.
In fact, what it shows is that both Arteta and the club made a brilliant decision to loan them. They are getting game time and improving. That is what loans are for. It's great management and is good for the club. Not so sure about Guendouzi, although Arteta said yesterday that the door is not closed on him, so stories about him being definitely gone are perhaps premature. Saliba has a couple of years left on his contract when he comes back. If he has improved to the level where he can actually start, it's a masterstroke by Arteta. We get a new player who can contribute or we get a bigger transfer fee than we could have got. Like I said, that is top management.

Nope. He couldn’t handle Guendozi and he misjudged Saliba. Now he’s getting shown up. Trying to spin it into anything else is disingenuous. But keep trying.

Looks like brilliant management.

[Power n Glory]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

[Ach]

Saliba and Guendozi both in Ligue 1 team of the week.

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/ ... elected%2F


Skybet Championship team of the week.
We should go shopping.

If 11th is top four form, is 12th top five form? People want to know.

I think we could improve things by buying the SkyBet Championship team of the week.
We'd definitely be PL champions then. Easy.

We paid 50 mil for a guy one season out of the championship so your dream has come true.

[theHotHead]

We def have worse players now... we're spending crazy amounts on average players.

Worse than Mustafi, Sokratis, Iwobi and Welbeck? That team made 5th place barely 2 years ago.

The current administration are making Emerys’ 5th place (should have got 4th) like some sort of miracle, I mean we have a much better squad and are forever stuck in midtable and never anywhere near 4th.

We spent 160 million on the summer, I think it was poorly spent, not because we signed players who aren’t any good but because we really should have signed some world class players as well, these young players may or may not make it but they’re not ready now.

The one that bugs me the most of the 50 million on White, he’s clearly not worth that and we could have used that money so much more wisely, especially given we had 2 decent CBS we could have brought back in who were on loan.

I’d have chosen Aouar over Odegaard as well, he was cheaper but also we had Odegaard last season and he didn’t really impress much.

He may come good under a different manager and I hope he does but he’s not just not done enough since he arrived here. We had a bit of that with Ceballos, luckily he didn’t want to stay any longer and we sent him back.

Bang on! We didn't need wholesale changes and especially not all young players for the future. This building for the future we won't get really bugs me. We were within touching distance of building for the now when Wenger left! We only needed to organise at the back and buy a world class winger and CM.
Now we look miles off top 4 and £160m down

Exactly, we didn't need wholesale changes. When Emery came in and bought Leno, Sokratis, Torreira and Guendouzi I was thinking "at last, someone has identified our problem nd has come to solve them straight off the bat". Little did I know Emery would go off script and decide defending wasn't important - and give us an even worse defence. Its been a succession of abject failure ever since. We were not far away to begin with.

JHC. Those players you listed you think are top 4 quality? Get away with you.

The ONLY route we had was to make wholesale changes and we still have a lot more to do.

And yet we made top 4 with WORSE players than that Jay !!!

[theHotHead]

The Wenger players were getting old and new blood was needed. But we bought poorly during the chaotic Raul/Mislinstat era and ended up with an hodgepodge we are still trying to sort through.

Such a common mistake in my opinion. When a formula works, why change it for changing sake!

If Wenger had replaced the invincibles gradually, like for like, we could have stayed at the top. Fergie always kept the same formula and didn't stop winning. We went weak and technical in CM, lost our pace on the wing and ended up a mess

Your missing out one detail.

The reason we didn't replace the Invincibles was for a number of reasons.

1 - We built the new stadium and the club stated we were cash strapped, Wenger also took this as an opportunity to become the clubs new accountant and became possessed with not splashing money.

2 - He supplementented not over spending by training up youths and introducing going from a 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 as in Bergkamps day to a 5 man midfield of 4-5-1 where he envisaged we could play Barca-lite keepy ball and so wouldn't have to buy the power house expensive players like Utd were doing which cost a bomb.

That is why we completely changed from the Invincibles 4-4-2 to the Denilson, Fabregas, Song, Wilshere era of 4-5-1.
Wenger looked for cheap players who had high technical ability, relative unknowns like Rosicky, Cazorla, Hleb etc but these players had tekkers and when they were all in the same starting 11 those combined tekkers looked great on a lot of occasions tbf.

We didn't have the money to buy world class players but could have bought bigger stronger players in key positions and kept the same structure. It was just that Wenger marveled at what Barca was doing and wanted to be like them.
Remember pundits kept going on about lack of leaders. We were crying out for a big strong box to box CM to play next to Fabregas. Didn't need to be technical, just hard in a tackle and have desire to win. Every professional can pass 5 yards to Fabregas to create things

This!!

It wasn't like we were not spending money, we were buying the wrong players.

[tufnelltoughie]

The bottom line is that this is a results based game and Arteta is not getting the results, end of, no excuses.

He has to go if he doesn't turn it round by the new year.

[jayramfootball]

The Wenger players were getting old and new blood was needed. But we bought poorly during the chaotic Raul/Mislinstat era and ended up with an hodgepodge we are still trying to sort through.

Such a common mistake in my opinion. When a formula works, why change it for changing sake!

If Wenger had replaced the invincibles gradually, like for like, we could have stayed at the top. Fergie always kept the same formula and didn't stop winning. We went weak and technical in CM, lost our pace on the wing and ended up a mess

Your missing out one detail.

The reason we didn't replace the Invincibles was for a number of reasons.

1 - We built the new stadium and the club stated we were cash strapped, Wenger also took this as an opportunity to become the clubs new accountant and became possessed with not splashing money.

2 - He supplementented not over spending by training up youths and introducing going from a 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 as in Bergkamps day to a 5 man midfield of 4-5-1 where he envisaged we could play Barca-lite keepy ball and so wouldn't have to buy the power house expensive players like Utd were doing which cost a bomb.

That is why we completely changed from the Invincibles 4-4-2 to the Denilson, Fabregas, Song, Wilshere era of 4-5-1.
Wenger looked for cheap players who had high technical ability, relative unknowns like Rosicky, Cazorla, Hleb etc but these players had tekkers and when they were all in the same starting 11 those combined tekkers looked great on a lot of occasions tbf.

We didn't have the money to buy world class players but could have bought bigger stronger players in key positions and kept the same structure. It was just that Wenger marveled at what Barca was doing and wanted to be like them.
Remember pundits kept going on about lack of leaders. We were crying out for a big strong box to box CM to play next to Fabregas. Didn't need to be technical, just hard in a tackle and have desire to win. Every professional can pass 5 yards to Fabregas to create things

This!!

It wasn't like we were not spending money, we were buying the wrong players.

That's right - spending money makes no difference in fact it can and often does make things worse) if it's not on the right players.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

This weekend Saliba and Guendouzi will be starting against Messi, Neymar and Mbappe.

Arsenal fans OTOH will be praying that £95m combo of BW and Partey can handle the might of Danny Ings.

[Nuggets]

The Wenger players were getting old and new blood was needed. But we bought poorly during the chaotic Raul/Mislinstat era and ended up with an hodgepodge we are still trying to sort through.

Such a common mistake in my opinion. When a formula works, why change it for changing sake!

If Wenger had replaced the invincibles gradually, like for like, we could have stayed at the top. Fergie always kept the same formula and didn't stop winning. We went weak and technical in CM, lost our pace on the wing and ended up a mess

Your missing out one detail.

The reason we didn't replace the Invincibles was for a number of reasons.

1 - We built the new stadium and the club stated we were cash strapped, Wenger also took this as an opportunity to become the clubs new accountant and became possessed with not splashing money.

2 - He supplementented not over spending by training up youths and introducing going from a 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 as in Bergkamps day to a 5 man midfield of 4-5-1 where he envisaged we could play Barca-lite keepy ball and so wouldn't have to buy the power house expensive players like Utd were doing which cost a bomb.

That is why we completely changed from the Invincibles 4-4-2 to the Denilson, Fabregas, Song, Wilshere era of 4-5-1.
Wenger looked for cheap players who had high technical ability, relative unknowns like Rosicky, Cazorla, Hleb etc but these players had tekkers and when they were all in the same starting 11 those combined tekkers looked great on a lot of occasions tbf.

We didn't have the money to buy world class players but could have bought bigger stronger players in key positions and kept the same structure. It was just that Wenger marveled at what Barca was doing and wanted to be like them.
Remember pundits kept going on about lack of leaders. We were crying out for a big strong box to box CM to play next to Fabregas. Didn't need to be technical, just hard in a tackle and have desire to win. Every professional can pass 5 yards to Fabregas to create things

This!!

It wasn't like we were not spending money, we were buying the wrong players.

That's right - spending money makes no difference in fact it can and often does make things worse) if it's not on the right players.

Especially when you have a clown for a manager.

[Santi]

Didn't realise you were in charge!

[Angelito]

That's...not good enough.

Give Arteta until the end of the season, and if results haven't improved, then fire him and bring in someone like Ten Hag or Potter.

He's a mid-table manager at this point. If you analyze our form since he's been in charge, it's classic mid-table. We seem to have dull periods followed by a good run of form. Then, we plummet back to the mean.

Under Arteta, we've consistently hovered in and around 8th - 12th places. It's not a coincidence.

Interesting to think how he'd fare at a club that doesn't swing on his whims and fancies. He does have neat ideas. It's the implementation part that seems to be his foil. Despite spending £225m here, we're worse off than we were during Emery's first season, which in itself wasn't good enough for Arsenal.

I do think there's a good manager somewhere in there. The Arsenal job was too soon, too big for him. Not his fault that the Kroenkes offered him the job.

I was for Arteta's appointment initially. I wanted to see what a novice would bring to the table. If it didn't work out, Arsenal could have simply sacked him. Little did I know that Arsenal would treat this affair like an orthodox marriage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he remained Arsenal manager until the end of his contract even if he "achieved" 8th this season. Josh Kroenke seems to be willing to die on the Arsenal hill named Arteta.

On a different note, if this project Arteta fails, and the subsequent manager also doesn't deliver, I feel the Kroenkes would be okay selling Arsenal. They seem to be searching for a Wenger-esque figure who'd manage the club from top to bottom. Someone who wouldn't hassle them, and would be capable of generating their own funds—leading the club without much supervision or guidance. That's what they hope to see from Arteta and Edu. It hasn't been the case so far.

Just a feeling at this stage though.