Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[starmandb]

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Progress.

Yes.

POINTS per game on a rolling 10 games window.
Couldn't care less if we score 1 or 5 if we pick up more points.

People want to see performances, not just scraped tight wins, those aren’t sustainable, ultimately progress needs to be seen in terms of performances, that’s what shows if a team is improving, not narrow nothing wins.

Even in the days of Graham when we were known for 1-0 to Arsenal, we’d still get games where we battered the opposition and scored plenty of goals.

Arteta has had 65 league games at arsenal that have included 3.. 3-0’s
And 3 … 4-0’s
Graham’s first 65 had 1 6-0
2…3-0
2… 4-0
2…. 4-1
Not the amount of batterings you suggest
I adore George as a player and manager of our club

[Nuggets]

I have to give it to Jay, he will battle against half the forum who say his argument is terrible but we are unable to shut his argument down.

I can't believe that we have not managed to extinguish his argument. Note to self ..... must try harder ......

No that's not the way. The results speak volumes. Zero point in trying to shout down the opinion of someone here to play devil's advocate. There isn't a thing anyone can say here that will change Jay's mind. It's just a point scoring competition at this point with no score. Half the forum have lost interest and don't engage because it's been done to death.

It's not my opinion - its a fact.
We've picked up the 4th most points in the league over the last 31 games - from the point of our awful slump which was a time when we were all fed up with Arteta.
Because that is a fact that fully underpins my point that we have improved (which by the way is the only point you have tried to challenge and failed) - the only thing left for some to do is to keep coming up with silly arguments like one of players performances against Malawi being a reason to say we're shit.

There is only one thing that will change my mind - an extended slump in form - not some mental gymnastics trying to goal seek on a reason why we're terrible.

It's exactly as I have said - the only way you get what you seem to want is if we are terrible.. and that is a position you have put yourself in that sucks. There is still time to drag yourself out of it, but that is up to you.

Jay, knock yourself out on this one. But you're wasting your time trying to convince me. 8th place twice and currently 11th. Those are also facts. Let the football speak.

Not trying to convince you.
Just offering the facts so the OTT negativity doesn't stand alone.

As for 8th place twice and 11th...

First 8th place - not down to Arteta - we improved when he took over. Arsenal fans generally happy going into the next season.
2nd 8th place - yep not good... we all wanted him gone after 14 games, but then he had a run of 24 games of improvement - significantly, which saved him
This season after 7 games? - doesn't matter. Too early. We're just 4 points off the top 4 with 31 games to go.

Again, just the facts.

You're draining the life out of the discussion. It's relentless spam.

That's how he gets his jollies.

[22-0]

Erik ten Hag please hold me.

[theHotHead]

Erik ten Hag please hold me.

Great shout !!

[jayramfootball]

Erik ten Hag please hold me.

Great shout !!

Could be good if Don Mikel doesn't succeed.
I'd actually prefer him to Conte.

[theHotHead]

Erik ten Hag please hold me.

Great shout !!

Could be good if Don Mikel doesn't succeed.
I'd actually prefer him to Conte.

Me too, I would have more confidence that Ten Hag would stay and not run at the first sign of trouble, which would be my biggest fear with Conte.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Erik ten Hag please hold me.

Great shout !!

Could be good if Don Mikel doesn't succeed.
I'd actually prefer him to Conte.

Me too, I would have more confidence that Ten Hag would stay and not run at the first sign of trouble, which would be my biggest fear with Conte.

Conte wouldn't bother with a team that's not even in Europe. We are years away from being able to attract a manager of that caliber. Winners know what they need to keep winning and dont waste their time on 'projects'.

[swipe right]

The future is Wenger.

[theHotHead]

A great overview of good managers vs shit managers, the difference they make, look at Chelsea with Lampard and the transformation with the same players under Tuchel.

Look at Man U under Solkskaer, an absolute joke of a team with the players they have

Look at Arsenal with Arteta, 8th place, no Europe and now 11th. Its clear to me the manager is key, I have never believed it more than I do now.

[Salibatelli]

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Progress.

Yes.

POINTS per game on a rolling 10 games window.
Couldn't care less if we score 1 or 5 if we pick up more points.

People want to see performances, not just scraped tight wins, those aren’t sustainable, ultimately progress needs to be seen in terms of performances, that’s what shows if a team is improving, not narrow nothing wins.

Even in the days of Graham when we were known for 1-0 to Arsenal, we’d still get games where we battered the opposition and scored plenty of goals.

Arteta has had 65 league games at arsenal that have included 3.. 3-0’s
And 3 … 4-0’s
Graham’s first 65 had 1 6-0
2…3-0
2… 4-0
2…. 4-1
Not the amount of batterings you suggest
I adore George as a player and manager of our club

I wasn’t and talking about his first 65 but thanks for your input.

[Nuggets]

A great overview of good managers vs shit managers, the difference they make, look at Chelsea with Lampard and the transformation with the same players under Tuchel.

Look at Man U under Solkskaer, an absolute joke of a team with the players they have

Look at Arsenal with Arteta, 8th place, no Europe and now 11th. Its clear to me the manager is key, I have never believed it more than I do now.

I think most people agree with you, it's just the die-hard fanboys that are still in denial.

[Power n Glory]

A great overview of good managers vs shit managers, the difference they make, look at Chelsea with Lampard and the transformation with the same players under Tuchel.

Look at Man U under Solkskaer, an absolute joke of a team with the players they have

Look at Arsenal with Arteta, 8th place, no Europe and now 11th. Its clear to me the manager is key, I have never believed it more than I do now.

Man Utd have given Ole nearly £500m to spend. He's had Lukaku and Sanchez in his team once. He currently has Ronaldo, Pogba, Varane, Maguire, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Sancho, Fernandes, Cavani, Shaw, Van de Beek....yet they're still so inconsistent despite the wealth of players. It comes back to poor management. Hopefully, we don't repeat the same mistake as Utd. It's a lot of time and money burned but the good thing about Utd is that the next manager has a lot to work with.

[jayramfootball]

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Progress.

Yes.

POINTS per game on a rolling 10 games window.
Couldn't care less if we score 1 or 5 if we pick up more points.

People want to see performances, not just scraped tight wins, those aren’t sustainable, ultimately progress needs to be seen in terms of performances, that’s what shows if a team is improving, not narrow nothing wins.

Even in the days of Graham when we were known for 1-0 to Arsenal, we’d still get games where we battered the opposition and scored plenty of goals.

Arteta has had 65 league games at arsenal that have included 3.. 3-0’s
And 3 … 4-0’s
Graham’s first 65 had 1 6-0
2…3-0
2… 4-0
2…. 4-1
Not the amount of batterings you suggest
I adore George as a player and manager of our club

I wasn’t and talking about his first 65 but thanks for your input.

His input shredded your argument.

[jayramfootball]

It really does get funnier ever day listening to some of the 'experts' here

Utd lose their first away game in what, nearly 30?, And it's a crisis?
They finished second last year.
They did so because of their players.
This year they will find it tougher because of poor decisions on transfers.
Ronaldo has unsettled the entire team.
Varane already injured.

There is one area where OGS is letting himself down. He should already have benched Ronaldo and sent him to train with the reserves for his behaviour.

That is on him and his management.

We have a good chance of finishing above them because we did so well in the transfer market.

[Salibatelli]

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Progress.

Yes.

POINTS per game on a rolling 10 games window.
Couldn't care less if we score 1 or 5 if we pick up more points.

People want to see performances, not just scraped tight wins, those aren’t sustainable, ultimately progress needs to be seen in terms of performances, that’s what shows if a team is improving, not narrow nothing wins.

Even in the days of Graham when we were known for 1-0 to Arsenal, we’d still get games where we battered the opposition and scored plenty of goals.

Arteta has had 65 league games at arsenal that have included 3.. 3-0’s
And 3 … 4-0’s
Graham’s first 65 had 1 6-0
2…3-0
2… 4-0
2…. 4-1
Not the amount of batterings you suggest
I adore George as a player and manager of our club

I wasn’t and talking about his first 65 but thanks for your input.

His input shredded your argument.

No he hasn’t, Graham was never as bad as this guy, people are fed up with him and his horrile brand of football that doesn’t deliver results or progress.

Get rid.