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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Ach » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:26 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Ach wrote:I guess we're including the long range shots which go nowhere near the goal, blocked shots etc

Dear God

You clearly have no idea what creativity is if you count them as creative.

Another thing we can add to the list about things you don't understand about football


Obviously you were not at the game.
Figured as much.

:rofll:

Truth hurts I see. One day you'll understand football.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:27 pm

Ach wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Ach wrote:I guess we're including the long range shots which go nowhere near the goal, blocked shots etc

Dear God

You clearly have no idea what creativity is if you count them as creative.

Another thing we can add to the list about things you don't understand about football


Obviously you were not at the game.
Figured as much.

:rofll:

Truth hurts.


^clearly it does.

Stop pretending you are at games. No need - and it's a bit pathetic.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Ach » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:29 pm

:rofll:

The crying continues
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:32 pm

Ach wrote::rofll:

The crying continues


^yes it does.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:33 pm

swipe right wrote:We will struggle without a deep lying creative midfielder. We need a Cesc or Santi type of player and don’t have one. We are unable to switch defense to attack quickly giving the opposition time to regroup and easily defend against our attacks. We depend on carrying the ball through midfield and aren’t even good at that.
We didn't need one when it was Petit/Vieira and Gilberto/Vieira.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:49 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
swipe right wrote:We will struggle without a deep lying creative midfielder. We need a Cesc or Santi type of player and don’t have one. We are unable to switch defense to attack quickly giving the opposition time to regroup and easily defend against our attacks. We depend on carrying the ball through midfield and aren’t even good at that.
We didn't need one when it was Petit/Vieira and Gilberto/Vieira.

They were engines that could drive the ball forward. Sambi the Bambi is not. Also the game has changed considerably since the Vieira era. We need a metronome. Someone who can play a through ball against the run of play. Our ball progression is piss poor at the moment.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:57 pm

swipe right wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:
swipe right wrote:We will struggle without a deep lying creative midfielder. We need a Cesc or Santi type of player and don’t have one. We are unable to switch defense to attack quickly giving the opposition time to regroup and easily defend against our attacks. We depend on carrying the ball through midfield and aren’t even good at that.
We didn't need one when it was Petit/Vieira and Gilberto/Vieira.

They were engines that could drive the ball forward. Sambi the Bambi is not. Also the game has changed considerably since the Vieira era. We need a metronome. Someone who can play a through ball against the run of play. Our ball progression is piss poor at the moment.


Ahead of the summer transfer window and in consideration of this very issue, my proposed solution in addressing it was the purchase of Bruno Guimaraes from Lyon, as rumor had it that a deal could be stuck for him at £25M, which at one point got me to thinking that maybe the Houssem Aouar thing was just a smoke screen to not reveal him as our real target.

However, that that whole escapade didn't bear any fruit whatsoever, thoughts were now that maybe the manoeuvre was decided against on the strength of reports from BFG, regards the express train like progression of Miguel Azeez and 6CharliePattino towards the first team, and as such a purchase of the Brazilian would likely prove detremtnnal to that process given that they too tend to operate from that area of the pitch and in a similar fashion minus the hard tackling.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:08 pm

Our central midfielders should be Odegard (8), ESR (10), and Partey (6). Against Norwich our play accelerated the minute ESR and Partey came on. Odegard is a quality player. He’s technically strong, has a great work rate and keeps the ball moving. He can play like Ramsey which is a quality we are lacking. Play him deeper. Let him pick up the ball from the CBs and start our attack.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:24 pm

swipe right wrote:Our central midfielders should be Odegard (8), ESR (10), and Partey (6). Against Norwich our play accelerated the minute ESR and Partey came on. Odegard is a quality player. He’s technically strong, has a great work rate and keeps the ball moving. He can play like Ramsey which is a quality we are lacking. Play him deeper. Let him pick up the ball from the CBs and start our attack.


I noted that in my posts.

When we couldn't break Norwich down Arteta took off Lokonga & Tomi and put on ESR & Partey, moving AMN to RB, which switched our midfield from a ...............

2- 1

to a

1 -2

Which is basically how our midfield was under Wenger, Arsene when he switched to 4-5-1 played one CDM and two CAM / CM's in his central midfield.

So it would be a CDM like Song with Rosicky and Ramsey ahead of him or Coquelin with Cazorla and Ozil ahead.

Yesterday after the subs we had Partey as the deep CDM/CM and ESR & Odegaard ahead.

Its a simple revert to a Wenger midfield, I doubt that is Arteta "the control freaks" long term plan though, it was more of desperation for us not opening up Norwich with 20mins to go.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:45 pm

Most of the starting 11 were of requisite quality. The keeper seemed capable, the back four were good, and the front line and ten we know to be good. The problem was squarely Sambi and AMN playing CM. We need to solve that puzzle. Partey instantly solves one half of it but Xhaka is not the answer to the other. That’s why I’d like to see Odegard move back and make way for ESR.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:26 pm

I didn't think he was doing tactics, I thought it was spend as much as possible then a wing and a prayer
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:21 pm

Moondoggie wrote:Interesting look at the tactics Arteta is trying to implement.

https://twitter.com/LeGrove/status/1438407326206074882


All of this is unfortunately, very plausible. Arteta definitely behaves with the confidence of a man with a multi-year mandate to play awful, slow football.

ARTICLE SNIPPET
We think back to last season and watching Arteta literally micro-managing every kick and movement from the sideline as if with a joystick.

It makes sense now as a coach trying to teach his JDP principles. It was as if the players were in class. They couldn’t tell the fans this as we wouldn’t have had the patience to buy into a ‘teaching season.’


When the players are in a competitive game, they aren't in class, they're in the exam room and are expected to show the results of their training. They can't tell the fans that the hideous football being played is actually intentional.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby LMAO » Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:16 pm

theHotHead wrote:I didn't think he was doing tactics, I thought it was spend as much as possible then a wing and a prayer


From the pass maps, it's clear he's trying to play like City. Only problem is Arteta is behind the wheel of a Civic while Pep has a 911.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:45 am

Right, so it goes back to a key point about what makes sa good manager. Its not good management trying to play a style/brand of football you don't have the players to play it with. Conversely, if you don't have players to play a style of football you should find a style that suits the players you have - even if you are going through a transition.

Take what Wenger did, he didn't come in and change the squad before effecting a change in style, we saw that change in style immediately, more adventurous offensive gameplay. After our first title the football changed again, after changing more players, we went to the football that the Invincibles played. We were always effective, the style of play suited the players we had.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

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