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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:03 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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Tony Adams wrote:Yeah, 3-4-3/5-2-3 works because the defensive structure gives the front three more freedom. Not sure ESR fits in that formation though.


Easy fix.

Play ESR sitting behind a front two LF & RF

3-4-1-2

We don't have any good CF's anyway, not any that are so productive we can't swap them out for a CAM.

Laca was very productive last year as a CF.
One of the best in the league.
I think only two players had a better goals per minute record
He just didn't play enough.
Obviously if he leaves we are very short.


We're not going to give him a Golden parachute retirement contract though that much seems obvious so his time here is numbered ............ plus his goal tally is always a struggle, he's not great in the air and if he doesn't get the service all he has to offer is graft which he is quality at but it seems we could be more effective playing a front 2.

Last year he was playing for a big contract (due now), he's not going to be better than that.

I actually feel sorry for him, we won't give him one and his courters like Atletico just never pull the trigger, times running out for Laca, he'll end up a free agent at this rate.


I would definitely hope not.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:05 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Yeah, 3-4-3/5-2-3 works because the defensive structure gives the front three more freedom. Not sure ESR fits in that formation though.


Easy fix.

Play ESR sitting behind a front two LF & RF

3-4-1-2

We don't have any good CF's anyway, not any that are so productive we can't swap them out for a CAM.
I really like that idea.

Tony Adams wrote:Image


Even with two up top, we still need the ball to stick.
Against the bigger teams we're not going to have all the possession.
I would worry about our front two being able to hold up play effectively and retain possession no matter which two we pick.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:17 pm

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swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:20 pm

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:28 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:36 pm

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:01 am

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:19 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.


Omg.
Are you ok?
Suggest you put yourself in reverse gear.

I've given you a CF comparison between Laca and Auba last year. Specifically to point out that Aubas team mates or the tactics we employed were not the reason Auba underperformed.

WTF have Newcastle, Willock and midfield comparisons have to do with it. ???

Total deflection because you simply can't address the point that Laca's goal rate at CF nearly matched the golden boot winner whilst Aubas was 50% lower in the same team playing for the same manager with the same tactics.

JHC.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:28 am

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.


Omg.
Are you ok?
Suggest you put yourself in reverse gear.

I've given you a CF comparison between Laca and Auba last year. Specifically to point out that Aubas team mates or the tactics we employed were not the reason Auba underperformed.

WTF have Newcastle, Willock and midfield comparisons have to do with it. ???

Total deflection because you simply can't address the point that Laca's goal rate at CF nearly matched the golden boot winner whilst Aubas was 50% lower in the same team playing for the same manager with the same tactics.

JHC.
:rolleyes:

So I gave you a comparison with Willock who’s numbers put him as one of the best midfielders in the league. Yet you rate Saka higher. Them playing for different teams is immaterial.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:49 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.


Omg.
Are you ok?
Suggest you put yourself in reverse gear.

I've given you a CF comparison between Laca and Auba last year. Specifically to point out that Aubas team mates or the tactics we employed were not the reason Auba underperformed.

WTF have Newcastle, Willock and midfield comparisons have to do with it. ???

Total deflection because you simply can't address the point that Laca's goal rate at CF nearly matched the golden boot winner whilst Aubas was 50% lower in the same team playing for the same manager with the same tactics.

JHC.
:rolleyes:

So I gave you a comparison with Willock who’s numbers put him as one of the best midfielders in the league. Yet you rate Saka higher. Them playing for different teams is immaterial.


What has that got to do with Laca and Auba playing CF with the same team around them and Laca significantly outperforming Auba?
If you want to have a discussion on Saka vs Willock, perhaps you should raise it on a different thread.

Tell me why Laca was able to score goals at rate close to the golden boot winner when he played CF for us last year (same team and tactics), but Auba at CF could not get close to Laca's output. You made the claim it was the team affecting Auba, I have shown you conclusively that was not the case.. unless you can come up with a reason.

You are simply deflecting because you can't find a way to support your claim.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:44 am

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.


Omg.
Are you ok?
Suggest you put yourself in reverse gear.

I've given you a CF comparison between Laca and Auba last year. Specifically to point out that Aubas team mates or the tactics we employed were not the reason Auba underperformed.

WTF have Newcastle, Willock and midfield comparisons have to do with it. ???

Total deflection because you simply can't address the point that Laca's goal rate at CF nearly matched the golden boot winner whilst Aubas was 50% lower in the same team playing for the same manager with the same tactics.

JHC.
:rolleyes:

So I gave you a comparison with Willock who’s numbers put him as one of the best midfielders in the league. Yet you rate Saka higher. Them playing for different teams is immaterial.


What has that got to do with Laca and Auba playing CF with the same team around them and Laca significantly outperforming Auba?
If you want to have a discussion on Saka vs Willock, perhaps you should raise it on a different thread.

Tell me why Laca was able to score goals at rate close to the golden boot winner when he played CF for us last year (same team and tactics), but Auba at CF could not get close to Laca's output. You made the claim it was the team affecting Auba, I have shown you conclusively that was not the case.. unless you can come up with a reason.

You are simply deflecting because you can't find a way to support your claim.

I don’t know why. It could be because Laca is a different type of forward, it could be dumb luck, it could be something else. But one season aside, Auba is a world class center forward and Laca is a journeyman. Take what you will from that.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:52 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:We have to find a way to get the ball to Auba faster. The way we moved the ball around the park last season was abysmal. We played this strange style of passing the ball out wide, not being able to penetrate the box and passing it backwards towards central midfield. I can see why Auba struggled. Yes he’s lost a bit of sharpness from prior seasons but not having midfielders who can play the ball in behind is a huge handicap. Just think about it, next season City will start with KdB, Grealish and Mahrez playing in their center forward. That is the difference between us and the top of the league. Blaming Auba alone is not going to solve this issue.



Auba got to play 1049 minutes as a starting CF last season.
Lacazette played 1728 minutes as a starting CF last season.

Laca had 0.63 goals per game from that position, Auba 0.43.
For reference Harry Kane scored 0.67 per game from the CF position.

Why is it that the team around Lacazette can have him scoring at a rate close to the golden boot winner, yet Auba couldn't do it with the same players around him?

0.43 goals per game is the same as Nketiah achieved as a centre forward in the league.

One of the biggest mistakes Arteta made last year was interrupting Lacazette's season and opting for Auba in the equivalent of 11 games as a CF.
Laca only ended up playing half the season and still managed 13 league goals.
He could do it to a top-level with the team around him.
Auba could not.

So blaming Auba - and Arteta for choosing him to take minutes away from Laca - is exactly correct.
It wasn't the team around him, it wasn't tactics, it wasn't anything else other than Auba failed to perform to a high level let alone the level expected of him once he signed his new contract.

Auba simply needs to knock it out the park this year to make up for what was a really poor showing last year - which is on him, no one else.

Last season Saka scored 5 times in 32 games but Willock scored 8 times in 21 games. Yet you think Saka is better than Neymar but Willock a good deal at 25 mil.


Neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
Poor example.

They both play attacking mid field and both stats are from the premier league same season. So tell me why you think the Auba-Laca comparisons tell one story but the Saka-Willock ones tell another?


Again - neither of them were playing CF, not in the same team and not in the same position.
That should have been enough.
Saka and Willock play in totally different positions.
It would be like comparing headers won between a FB and CB.

But, the point is that you were weaving a tale about how our team played which was inhibiting Auba - comparing two players who played for different teams is not relevant, obviously.
I gave you an exact comparison of Auba and Laca playing in the same position - again, for the same team. as direct and clear evidence that it was not the team that caused Auba's poor season.
Like I said - your example is a poor one.

As for Willock and a 25m fee, let me guess, you are setting him up as a world beater so when we sell him for 25m you can attack Arteta...am I right?
No doubt he'll be up there with the worlds best like Saliba and Guendouzi. :sneaky2:

So per your logic Willock’s numbers are better because he plays for high flying Newcastle.


Omg.
Are you ok?
Suggest you put yourself in reverse gear.

I've given you a CF comparison between Laca and Auba last year. Specifically to point out that Aubas team mates or the tactics we employed were not the reason Auba underperformed.

WTF have Newcastle, Willock and midfield comparisons have to do with it. ???

Total deflection because you simply can't address the point that Laca's goal rate at CF nearly matched the golden boot winner whilst Aubas was 50% lower in the same team playing for the same manager with the same tactics.

JHC.
:rolleyes:

So I gave you a comparison with Willock who’s numbers put him as one of the best midfielders in the league. Yet you rate Saka higher. Them playing for different teams is immaterial.


What has that got to do with Laca and Auba playing CF with the same team around them and Laca significantly outperforming Auba?
If you want to have a discussion on Saka vs Willock, perhaps you should raise it on a different thread.

Tell me why Laca was able to score goals at rate close to the golden boot winner when he played CF for us last year (same team and tactics), but Auba at CF could not get close to Laca's output. You made the claim it was the team affecting Auba, I have shown you conclusively that was not the case.. unless you can come up with a reason.

You are simply deflecting because you can't find a way to support your claim.

I don’t know why. It could be because Laca is a different type of forward, it could be dumb luck, it could be something else. But one season aside, Auba is a world class center forward and Laca is a journeyman. Take what you will from that.


I have taken what I will from it - the facts.
Auba underperformed badly and it had nothing to do with the team around him as a 'journeyman' managed to work off the team far more effectively.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:16 am

Again you mix data with qualitative assessments. Auba is a guy who has been getting more than 20 goals a season since 2014. It puts him in an elite striker category. So what happened last season? You make the silly assertion that he stopped playing well because he signed a new deal. My belief is he ran out of goals since we were not able to get the ball up to him quickly enough. Ok Laca did better. Why? Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t need the ball played in the way Auba does. It doesn’t mean he’s a better striker or we should start him because even at his best he doesn’t put up big numbers. If we work out a system that Auba thrives in he can be putting up 20-25 goals again.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Ach » Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:20 am

swipe right wrote:Again you mix data with qualitative assessments. Auba is a guy who has been getting more than 20 goals a season since 2014. It puts him in an elite striker category. So what happened last season? You make the silly assertion that he stopped playing well because he signed a new deal. My belief is he ran out of goals since we were not able to get the ball up to him quickly enough. Ok Laca did better. Why? Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t need the ball played in the way Auba does. It doesn’t mean he’s a better striker or we should start him because even at his best he doesn’t put up big numbers. If we work out a system that Auba thrives in he can be putting up 20-25 goals again.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:20 am

swipe right wrote:Again you mix data with qualitative assessments. Auba is a guy who has been getting more than 20 goals a season since 2014. It puts him in an elite striker category. So what happened last season? You make the silly assertion that he stopped playing well because he signed a new deal. My belief is he ran out of goals since we were not able to get the ball up to him quickly enough. Ok Laca did better. Why? Perhaps it’s because he doesn’t need the ball played in the way Auba does. It doesn’t mean he’s a better striker or we should start him because even at his best he doesn’t put up big numbers. If we work out a system that Auba thrives in he can be putting up 20-25 goals again.
I think he stopped scoring goals because he was adapting to being a #9 rather than a LWF. He is much better with a #9 (like Laca) to play off either as a second striker or LWF.
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