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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Ach » Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:50 am

Tony Adams wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:In ten years time we could be talking about him being Emery's signing in the same way we talk about Bergkamp being Rioch's signing.

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swipe right wrote:Tony Adams and ACH are Don Emery apologists. They pine for an era when we were runners up in the Europa league. :rofll:


I guess that makes me a Rioch apologist too?

Apparently rioch was taking us towards relegation according to some on here. That rise from 12th to 5th was relegation form.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby thebigbangtheo » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:02 am

ag6789 wrote:Won't count chickens until they're hatched. Could be another Tierney also.
Would wait until he plays a season at least.


Given that Tierney himself is yet to play a season at least, doesn't this statement effectively contradict itself?
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby StockGooner » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:04 am

thebigbangtheo wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Won't count chickens until they're hatched. Could be another Tierney also.
Would wait until he plays a season at least.


Given that Tierney himself is yet to play a season at least, doesn't this statement effectively contradict itself?


Who do you think you are applying logic on this forum?
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:14 am

LOL
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Angelito » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:34 pm

Zenith wrote:Considering the mountain of official information that is out there to enlighten us, fans, it's starting to become embarrassing how there are still fans who think Emery 'signed' any players for Arsenal.

Even though this has been explained on several occasions, I'll break it down one more time.


Responsible for recruitment (post-Wenger) were/are:

    Ivan Gazidis (Chief Executive - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.

    Sven Mislintat (Head of Recruitment - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.
    Raùl Sanllehi (Head of Football - Active)
    Involved in transfer activities, contract negotiations and all things football. Only really answers to Stan/Josh.

    Vinai Venkatesham (Managing Director - Active)
    Raùl's right hand. Predominantly focuses on financials. Also involved in contract/transfer negotiations along with Huss Fahmy.

    Edú Gaspar (Technical Director - Active)
    Arsenal's very first TD. Oversees all technical aspects, from the first team, to the academy, to recruitment, whilst advocating and respecting the club's philosophy.

    Francis Cigagao (Head of Scouting - Active)
    Leads the team that's responsible for scouting activities and recruitment. Answers to Raùl and Edú.

Unlike Head Coaches, Managers combine their job of as coach with Technical Director or even Director of Football. AW was Arsenal's last Manager. He lost his managerial powers the season before his departure during a power struggle with Gazidis.

Unai Emery was signed as Arsenal's Head Coach and, thus, had no final say on recruitment. At most he could make a recommendation, with emphasis on recommendation. The same currently applies to Mikel Arteta.

Arsenal have opted to share the responsibilities of a Manager between a group of people not only to share the workload, but also to prevent one individual from becoming too powerful, like was the case with AW.

All Managers are Head Coaches but no Head Coach is ever a Manager.


I honestly can't understand why this isn't already so obvious.

You'd think people would know by now.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby thebigbangtheo » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:29 pm

StockGooner wrote:
thebigbangtheo wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Won't count chickens until they're hatched. Could be another Tierney also.
Would wait until he plays a season at least.


Given that Tierney himself is yet to play a season at least, doesn't this statement effectively contradict itself?


Who do you think you are applying logic on this forum?


Oops, sorry Stock, I forgot where I was for a moment, my bad.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Jase89 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Angelito wrote:
Zenith wrote:Considering the mountain of official information that is out there to enlighten us, fans, it's starting to become embarrassing how there are still fans who think Emery 'signed' any players for Arsenal.

Even though this has been explained on several occasions, I'll break it down one more time.


Responsible for recruitment (post-Wenger) were/are:

    Ivan Gazidis (Chief Executive - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.

    Sven Mislintat (Head of Recruitment - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.
    Raùl Sanllehi (Head of Football - Active)
    Involved in transfer activities, contract negotiations and all things football. Only really answers to Stan/Josh.

    Vinai Venkatesham (Managing Director - Active)
    Raùl's right hand. Predominantly focuses on financials. Also involved in contract/transfer negotiations along with Huss Fahmy.

    Edú Gaspar (Technical Director - Active)
    Arsenal's very first TD. Oversees all technical aspects, from the first team, to the academy, to recruitment, whilst advocating and respecting the club's philosophy.

    Francis Cigagao (Head of Scouting - Active)
    Leads the team that's responsible for scouting activities and recruitment. Answers to Raùl and Edú.

Unlike Head Coaches, Managers combine their job of as coach with Technical Director or even Director of Football. AW was Arsenal's last Manager. He lost his managerial powers the season before his departure during a power struggle with Gazidis.

Unai Emery was signed as Arsenal's Head Coach and, thus, had no final say on recruitment. At most he could make a recommendation, with emphasis on recommendation. The same currently applies to Mikel Arteta.

Arsenal have opted to share the responsibilities of a Manager between a group of people not only to share the workload, but also to prevent one individual from becoming too powerful, like was the case with AW.

All Managers are Head Coaches but no Head Coach is ever a Manager.


I honestly can't understand why this isn't already so obvious.

You'd think people would know by now.


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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Ach » Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:44 pm

Arsenal would risk breaking Premier League integrity agreement over William Saliba

The young French defender's loan spell at Saint-Etienne will officially come to an end on June 30, and that had raised hopes that he could play for the Gunners in July

Arsenal would be risking the wrath of their fellow Premier League clubs if they were to use William Saliba before the end of this season.

The Gunners are reeling from the news that centre-back Pablo Mari will be out for the rest of the campaign with the ankle injury he sustained in Wednesday night's 3-0 defeat at Manchester City.

To make matters worse, David Luiz - who replaced Mari at the Etihad Stadium - is now suspended for the next two matches at Brighton and Southampton after he picked up his second red card of the extended season in the loss at City.

That leaves Shkodran Mustafi, Sokratis Papastathopoulos and Rob Holding as the only available senior defenders for Mikel Arteta ahead of a period which could make-or-break Arsenal's attempts to qualify for Europe.

Some Gunners fans had been hoping that 19-year-old defender Saliba could be added to that mix, especially as the Ligue 1 season has been curtailed.

The exciting teenager signed for the Gunners from Saint-Etienne for a deal that could rise to £27million last summer, only to immediately return to his former club on loan to pick up more experience.

Saliba's loan contract was initially in place until June 30, but with Ligue 1 cancelled in April he returned to London Colney to train with his parent club.

FIFA rules state that he was never going to be allowed to play for Arsenal before June 30 as he was still technically away on loan, but an agreement struck between Premier League clubs as they discussed 'Project Restart' means that the Gunners won't be able to call on him past July 1.

Arteta's side face Norwich City at the Emirates Stadium on that date, before going on to play six more Premier League fixtures before the end of July, while they could also still be in the FA Cup.

Clubs agreed that fielding players who had returned from season-long loan deals should be prohibited as it would damage the sporting integrity of the remainder of the season, although this could be reviewed in 'exceptional circumstances'.

With three senior centre-backs fit and available for Arsenal and Luiz back from suspension before July 1, this wouldn't appear to be the case at the moment.

Saliba is set to train with the Gunners for the remainder of the campaign, but won't be available to play until the 2020/21 campaign.


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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Santi » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:03 pm

Exceptional circumstances being we realised how shit david luiz really is and that hes an agent sent from Chelsea to destroy us.

Get Saliba in the starting line up and f**k all those other clubs who just laugh at us anyway.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Santi » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:07 pm

Jase89 wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Zenith wrote:Considering the mountain of official information that is out there to enlighten us, fans, it's starting to become embarrassing how there are still fans who think Emery 'signed' any players for Arsenal.

Even though this has been explained on several occasions, I'll break it down one more time.


Responsible for recruitment (post-Wenger) were/are:

    Ivan Gazidis (Chief Executive - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.

    Sven Mislintat (Head of Recruitment - Gone)
    Role disbanded following his departure.
    Raùl Sanllehi (Head of Football - Active)
    Involved in transfer activities, contract negotiations and all things football. Only really answers to Stan/Josh.

    Vinai Venkatesham (Managing Director - Active)
    Raùl's right hand. Predominantly focuses on financials. Also involved in contract/transfer negotiations along with Huss Fahmy.

    Edú Gaspar (Technical Director - Active)
    Arsenal's very first TD. Oversees all technical aspects, from the first team, to the academy, to recruitment, whilst advocating and respecting the club's philosophy.

    Francis Cigagao (Head of Scouting - Active)
    Leads the team that's responsible for scouting activities and recruitment. Answers to Raùl and Edú.

Unlike Head Coaches, Managers combine their job of as coach with Technical Director or even Director of Football. AW was Arsenal's last Manager. He lost his managerial powers the season before his departure during a power struggle with Gazidis.

Unai Emery was signed as Arsenal's Head Coach and, thus, had no final say on recruitment. At most he could make a recommendation, with emphasis on recommendation. The same currently applies to Mikel Arteta.

Arsenal have opted to share the responsibilities of a Manager between a group of people not only to share the workload, but also to prevent one individual from becoming too powerful, like was the case with AW.

All Managers are Head Coaches but no Head Coach is ever a Manager.


I honestly can't understand why this isn't already so obvious.

You'd think people would know by now.


Many things aren’t obvious to some on this forum


This is all well and good but I think this ends up underselling the value and weight of said 'recommendation'. Very rarely are DoF's or whatever you want to call them now, just going to go and sign a player completely against the wishes of the 'coach'.

So I really don't get the point of highlighting this again, yes there are other people responsible for the actual procurement of a player, but by and large the coach will have a large say in who comes in. If he doesn't, then the relationship between him and the DoF is f***ked and you have a bigger problem.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Ach » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:46 pm

Saint-Etienne boss Claude Puel wants to extend 21-year-old French centre-back William Saliba's loan deal from Arsenal until after the Coupe de France final. (Goal)


When is the final?
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Zenith » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:17 am

Ach wrote:
Saint-Etienne boss Claude Puel wants to extend 21-year-old French centre-back William Saliba's loan deal from Arsenal until after the Coupe de France final. (Goal)


When is the final?

It's been rescheduled to Saturday July 25th.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby Ach » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:49 pm

Mikel Arteta says there is no update on how contract talks are progressing with striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, whose current deal expires next year.

The Arsenal boss also says defender William Saliba's loan at Saint-Etienne will be extended so he can feature in the French Cup final against Paris Saint-Germain next month.

“He needs to stay there. We have an agreement with St Etienne," said Arteta.

"He has earned the right to play in the final should the manager want to do that. We have to give him the opportunity to do that

“I know how the high the expectations are big around him, but we have to take bear in mind the age that he’s at, and what he’s done in the past.

"I’ll make sure we create the right environment for him so he can keep growing as a player.”


Why are we so soft ffs
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:46 am

William Saliba deprived of the final by Arsenal !!


AS Saint-Étienne was pleased to learn yesterday Tuesday that Mikel Arteta, Arsenal coach, was ready to leave William Saliba at the disposal of the club until the final of the Coupe de France, July 24 next. William Saliba had been training for several days with Claude Puel's group and was obviously very enthusiastic about the idea of ​​finishing his course in Green with such a match. Alas, ASSE, which simply wanted the extension of the initial loan until July 24, could not find an agreement in the evening with Arsenal to allow the defender to properly prepare and play this meeting, the English club imposing absolutely unacceptable sports and financial conditions.



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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Saint-Étienne)

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:53 am

Quite funny. Apparently if Saliba plays another game he will trigger a clause which means Arsenal have to pay another €2.5m.

Arsenal obviously unwilling to extend the loan on that basis. Where however willing to extend the deal so he could play.]


Mikel Arteta on Saliba: “We have an agreement with Saint-Etienne. He needs to stay there. He has been there all year. He has earned his right to play in that final if his manager wants him to do that. We have to give him the opportunity to do that, to enjoy that.”
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