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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby HolyCow » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:31 am

Angelito wrote:
Sims wrote:Another aryan coming out and saying racism doesn’t exist in the dfb set up

Quelle surprise


Think it's more xenophobia than racism but yeah.

Kroos should just shut up. He's not part of the administration and Ozil hasn't accused his team-mates of racism.


Or he doesn't like the DFB being slandered and the larger implications about modern German society. Why shouldn't Kroos offer his opinion? You don't like opposing opinions do you? You prefer an unquestioned victimhood orthodoxy, eh?

As for SIMS' comment, do you not see the irony of you highlighting "Aryan" as if ethnicity is the determining factor as to whether or not something said is true when you're speaking out against racism? You're a racist but you're too dumb to realize it.

Marsbar100 wrote:Still haven't seen this racism lol


^ this. Apparently some people in this thread have an issue with the race card losing its ability to control people's words. They hate the idea that some people actually think critically and will ask for things like evidence to support their claims. Asking for evidence, in their view, is being a racist apologist. They're morons who do not (and probably cannot) think critically.

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Marsbar100 wrote:Still haven't seen this racism lol

So if someone is racist to a member of your family and they tell you about it, you will laugh it off and say it didn't happen cos you didn't see it

Ok then


So if someone tells you they saw a UFO flown by Elvis and 2-Pac, were abducted, and then probed by green aliens, you'd nod your head like an unthinking moron.

Ok then.

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Toni Kroos calls Mesut Özil’s claims of racism around Germany team ‘nonsense’
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/16/mesut-ozil-racism-claims-nonsense-toni-kroos

Thats so dumb. Its like a white person saying racism claims made by black people are not true because they have never experienced it themselves.


Still waiting for evidence of racism. Why can't you provide proof?

Quite a bit of faith based belief in this thread. Ozil's claims must be believed without providing evidence because...... just because, that's why! Idiots. Skepticism is heresy to these overly-sensitive, unthinking morons.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:01 am

Sims wrote:Another aryan coming out and saying racism doesn’t exist in the dfb set up

Quelle surprise


Kroos is your man.

I could tell he was a Hitler Youth just by looking at him.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:03 am

HolyCow wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Sims wrote:Another aryan coming out and saying racism doesn’t exist in the dfb set up

Quelle surprise


Think it's more xenophobia than racism but yeah.

Kroos should just shut up. He's not part of the administration and Ozil hasn't accused his team-mates of racism.


Or he doesn't like the DFB being slandered and the larger implications about modern German society. Why shouldn't Kroos offer his opinion? You don't like opposing opinions do you? You prefer an unquestioned victimhood orthodoxy, eh?

As for SIMS' comment, do you not see the irony of you highlighting "Aryan" as if ethnicity is the determining factor as to whether or not something said is true when you're speaking out against racism? You're a racist but you're too dumb to realize it.


Sims is white British tho looooool
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:49 am

Sims is a ginger.

That is basically aryan.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:11 am

Impressive the length Ozil haters will go to criticise him.

Even siding with racists.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:10 am

PairyGrows wrote:What should be kept in mind that although none of us were there to observe the absence of racism, none of us were there to observe the racism either.

But a few people have come out in support of Ozil and lambasted the German FA for being useless or dicks.

Most of the commentary is focused on the public treatment of Ozil being racist, the non-immigrant Germans that performed as badly or worse than Ozil have largely not received criticism. We know for certain the criticism is founded in racism.

No smoke without fire with the German FA
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:15 am

@ Holy Cow, its not my job to prove anything to you, if you want to live with your eyes wide shut that's your business. Carry on.

The proof is out there. Knock your self out. Too lazy or too stupid to find it, well then ....... Oh well.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:28 am

Pudpop wrote:Ignoring a lot of the irrelevant content you have in that post, you seem to think that the criticism levelled at Ozil was fair. It wasn't. That was the whole issue. Özil was being targeted by German media because of the picture and because of where he came from. Kroos and Mueller were just as poor at the world cup and yet they didn't receive nearly as much criticism. In fact, Mueller has been poor for years. No Ozil fan has said Ozil wasn't poor. He was. (And yet if Hummels scores a free header ftom 6 yards out against Korea then none of this conversation even happens). We are just saying that he was unfairly targeted, just like Sterling was. (I think? I didn't pay attention to what was up with sterling.)

And to reiterate, just because someone doesn't have proof of racism doesn't mean it didn't happen. That's an insane position to take when people make claims like that, and in my experience it is only ever taken by people who have never faced discrimination, and if that's the case then you really have no clue what you're talking about.

To me the Racist Right Wingers have given Ozil and you his fanbase a way out to deflect from the genuine criticism of Ozil absolutely taking advantage of Germany’s good nature after the Nazi’s.

Again. Show me some evidence that the German FA have been racist towards Ozil or any other person. You keep asserting that there is this Racism in the German FA, but then can’t provide any evidence. Just give me 2 racially motivated situations where they went racial.

This is the problem with you the Ozil fanbase. Any slight or fair criticism of Ozil is taken to heart, gets you emotional, sensitive, defensive and illogical. When it comes to Ozil he is always the victim, he plays the victim card and you guys just swallow it up.

Whenever you guys come up with one of those “Ozil victims cards” some of us take it with a bit of scepticism. Because you are not objective whatsoever when it comes to Ozil. It’s either all of us should worship or praise Ozil no matter what or you will be labelled as “ having an agenda, ozil haters, idiots, we lack football knowledge, we hate football just because we criticise Ozil” etc.
Some of us Ozil critics have been called names just because we try to be objective towards Ozil. We expect much much more from our supposed best and only world class player. You keep calling us Idiots, Ozil haters, footballer haters, agenda driven etc. The UK media id labelled as Racists, Islamophobes and peddling an agenda just because they criticise ozil.

Same in Germany, the liberal media were justified to question Ozil and Gundogan for that photo op with a divisive Erdogan. I think Gundogan came out and apologised or tried to clear the water. On the other hand Egotistical Ozil backed by his twitter defence army to today keeps grandstanding about it while playing tired Ozil victim / scapegoat card like we are used too.

There is a growing obvious pattern here. Ozil is so proud and egotistical because he has you his fanbase that never see no wrong in him. It’s weird.

When asked to fight for his place at Madrid his ego and pride could not accept that, so he quit and started playing victim with his dad. “Madrid have mistreated and scapegoated Ozil”.

He moves to Arsenal and has been so underwhelming. We criticise him and we are labelled as haters, agenda driven. “The UK media and Ozil critics have an agenda against Ozil. He is always Scapegoated.” Etc.

He takes a photo with a well known divisive figure in Germany and Western Europe (Erdogan). Gundogan comes out and clears the air. But as always a very prideful Ozil grandstands, doubles down and like always, his core fanbase try to rationalise the situation and go on the defensive. “Ozil has been mistreated and scapegoated”. Etc

In 3 different countries Ozil is always the victim and scapegoat? Or there is some serious issues regarding him as an individual. It’s always someone else’s fault with Ozil.

Now you have the Ozil core fanbase labelling the likes of Kroos, Muller, German FA or any white German that even tries to fairly criticise ozil as steaming Nazi Racists. All because Ozil did something divisive (Erdogan photo op), he refused to acknowledge how it left a sour bitter taste in the mouths of most Germans. But because he has been brought up being told he is the best and that he is always right etc, his fanbase tell keep telling him he is a hero and always correct, he still refuses to acknowledge the mistake. Smh

Forget the racist far right idiots who will always be there. Just think about the normal Germans that found Ozil’s actions as poor and a kick in the teeth. Smh

How will Ozil ever improve or know when he is in the wrong and need to apologise when you his enablers keep defending him for the sake of it? Smh
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:39 am

Pudpop wrote:
PairyGrows wrote:What should be kept in mind that although none of us were there to observe the absence of racism, none of us were there to observe the racism either.
Except Özil was. And he said there was racism.

For fucks sake it isn't that difficult

If that is how you run your life then Wow.
Just because someone makes a CLAIM we shouls just swallow it without asking for evidence? What the hell?

You just don’t go to court and claim “That guy Stole my wallet” and that is it. You have to prove or provide some evidence for your claim.

We know that Racism exists around the world. But claiming that the German FA are steaming Nazi racist without providing any evidence is just hot air.

Ozil is known for always playing the VICTIM in every situation, and you his fanbase always facilitate it. So understand if some of us are a bit sceptical about his and your claims.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:10 am

Read his f***ing full statement ! That would be a good starting point.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Sims » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:14 am

LMAO wrote:
HolyCow wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Sims wrote:Another aryan coming out and saying racism doesn’t exist in the dfb set up

Quelle surprise


Think it's more xenophobia than racism but yeah.

Kroos should just shut up. He's not part of the administration and Ozil hasn't accused his team-mates of racism.


Or he doesn't like the DFB being slandered and the larger implications about modern German society. Why shouldn't Kroos offer his opinion? You don't like opposing opinions do you? You prefer an unquestioned victimhood orthodoxy, eh?

As for SIMS' comment, do you not see the irony of you highlighting "Aryan" as if ethnicity is the determining factor as to whether or not something said is true when you're speaking out against racism? You're a racist but you're too dumb to realize it.


Sims is white British tho looooool


Yh f**k white people init
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:29 am

theHotHead wrote:Read his f***ing full statement ! That would be a good starting point.

Lol

It is surprising how many on here who side with the racists haven't read it.

Or maybe they have and still side with them. That's even worse
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby HolyCow » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:36 am

Sims wrote:Yh f**k white people init


Yeah, f**k literally EVERYTHING[that has been invented in the past 1,000 years. You and Ozil should move to a beautiful country that doesn't have white people..... like Pakistan, Somalia, or Turkey. Support Galatasarray or Fenerbache or whatever those clubs are called. Don't support Arsenal because it was founded and is run by white people in a country of.....white people! THE HORROR!!!

Ach wrote:Impressive the length Ozil haters will go to criticise him.

Even siding with racists.


brilliant counter-argument!!! that surely settles the issue!!! nice work you f***ing r***rd. would you like a victim cookie? i'll bake some up to give to the low-IQ retards in this thread who think feelings > fact.

theHotHead wrote:@ Holy Cow, its not my job to prove anything to you, if you want to live with your eyes wide shut that's your business. Carry on.

The proof is out there. Knock your self out. Too lazy or too stupid to find it, well then ....... Oh well.


No, it is isn't out there you donkey. There is no proof. I've looked and so have many, many others. Why would prominent figures in the DFB and Kroos risk their reputation if there was some definitive proof? Do you think they'd be daft enough to risk their careers by gambling that actual evidence might now actually come out? Or, if you aren't a r***rd, you'd realize there is ZERO EVIDENCE OF RACISM. But if there is, perhaps you can provide some? Or will you go back to your "too lazy or too stupid to find it" 'rebuttal'? You are so f***ing stupid. What do you do for a living? Dig rats out of gutters? Christ you are a dumb piece of garbage.

The burden of evidence is always on the accuser you dolt. Otherwise, everyone would be guilty of anything they are accused of. For example, I could say you, theHotHead molests children. I could also say you film it, whack off to it, then sell it to other pedos like Diamond (and the other brain dead weirdos in this thread). 'I don't need to provide evidence though, because that's how accusations work!!!', get it? Just sit there with your eyes wide shut.....whacking off to the kids you raped you pedo (oh wait, i shouldn't say that because evidence actually does matter when you're attempting to trash someone's character).

btw, evidence doesn't matter so i'll assume you're a pedo from now on and report you when i find out your identity. Until then, your name is The Turkish Diddler
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:37 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is gold.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:39 am

Goat poster tbh
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