WENGER OUT

[Andrew]

this is coming from a guy who has a win percentage of about 10% in his managerial career

big tone must be back on the sauce

Wheneveradams relapses and hit the bottle he makes great inter interviews. This clown was saying openly he wants wengers job and then wonder why wenger dont want him near him. Its like a man saying he want to shag your wife and then wonder how come you dont invite me to your house

Exactly.

Wenger is useless, .

Back to beeing a hater I guess.

[Andrew]

Out of that list veira has most experience and i still wouldn't give it to him.

I wouldn't mind Vieira.
He knows the club, the culture. He's had more experience than Pep when he took over at Barcelona or Zidane when he started at Real.

[Nuggets]

Doesn't matter how shit of a manager Tony Adams is, doesn't matter that he's thick or had a drinking problem. These are nothing but logical fallacies (Ad hominems, red herrings, deflection etc.) used by wenger groupies to detract for the overall message which is true.

I've now heard from a number of ex-players that Wenger can't coach for toffee and that all he really did was create an environment for players to thrive on their own, he's not really hands on with the technical and strategic aspect of the game more of an admin/office type guy apparently. We can see this clearly with the absolute dross we play week in week out. A manager like Wenger needs the very best support coaching staff in the business, and we have a pile of sh*te for coaches.

This is why coaches like Pochettino & Antonio Conte will continue to make minced meat of the Premier league and why we'll probably get destroyed in the FA cup final by Chelsea. Conte is very hands-on with coaching at Chelsea and has perfected a winning formula.

Wenger doesn't look at strengths and weaknesses, and then come up with a tactical gameplay for an opponent. He Just feels his 11 snow flakes will go out and win.

This.

[theHotHead]

You don't need to be a successful manager to be able to have a valid opinion, you don't need to be a successful coach. The fact that Tony Adams was an elite level player and has managed puts him in a very strong position to say who he thinks is a good coach.

[Sims]

Arsene Wenger also gave him two extra titles he wouldn't have had if he kept carrying on the way he was

No-one has to like it, but Tone's a moron. Wenger gave him a chance to coach the U18's and work his way up but he decided to chase money in China

He should really keep his mouth firmly shut

[Andrew]

You don't need to be a successful manager to be able to have a valid opinion, you don't need to be a successful coach. The fact that Tony Adams was an elite level player and has managed puts him in a very strong position to say who he thinks is a good coach.

He has a grudge against Wenger. This is not an objective opinion
Countless others who have worked under Wenger say otherwise.

[Nuggets]

You don't need to be a successful manager to be able to have a valid opinion, you don't need to be a successful coach. The fact that Tony Adams was an elite level player and has managed puts him in a very strong position to say who he thinks is a good coach.

He has a grudge against Wenger. This is not an objective opinion
Countless others who have worked under Wenger say otherwise.

Perhaps its because they don't have the balls to say what they really think?

[GoonerAlexandre]

There's a reason people are doubting this. There's a difference between "Wenger can't coach" and "Wenger can't coach defenders" that people are failing to grasp here. Quite a lot of players have credited Wenger for the improvements they made in their game. And these aren't just any players, I'll deliberately quote those who have zero reasons to say nice stuff about Wenger.

First up, Cesc Fabregas, a few months. This is AFTER we refused to sign him
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/fabreg ... nd-arsenal
"Arsene Wenger, especially, and Arsenal Football Club, gave me everything.

Next, Wenger won the World Coach of the Decade, something I doubt Adams will ever win.

There's no doubt that Wenger can't coach defenders out of a paper bag, but he has had a positive effect on so many attacking players, that it would be utterly ridiculous to say he can't coach

His choice of defensive coach currently is utterly shiite, though I doubt Adams would be at all better.

Let's not forget a completely shit coach has apparently managed to get 20 consecutive top 4 finishes. It may not be good enough for us as supporters, but considering some of the absolute pile of crap that played for us in 5-6 of those years, it is some achievement. He's a good coach at the moment, not a great one, but definitely not shit

[MecurialGooner]

Wenger's biggest flaws, He can't coach how to defend and he doesn't have a grasp of tactics and how to setup Arsenal to effectively counter the opposition. Great football managers and coaches will exploit weaknesses and attempt to turn the opponents strengths into a weakness. Wenger doesn't/can't do this. He is 1 dimensional.

Ex-players always talk more about him being a father figure who understands players, proper nutrition and a man who is great at creating a nice environment for players etc. Never once heard anybody say Wenger was a tactical genius, or that he was very good at coaching players on the training pitch. Perhaps he can coach attacking players but certainly not defenders.

But by far, his biggest downfall and flaw is he's totally unaware of the tactical side of the game.

In Amy Lawrence's Invincible book [Invincible: Inside Arsenal's Unbeaten 2003-2004 Season] we read from Lee Dixon:

He [Arsene] doesn’t push people around on the training pitch; he creates environments. A perfect example of that is Ashley Cole. Ash couldn’t defend to save his life when he got into the Arsenal team – and he’d agree with me. But he had arguably one of the best coaches around for him in Tony Adams standing next to him. Tony had him on a piece of string. Arsène didn’t coach him once. Arsène doesn’t particularly know whether the left back is in the right position or not! But he knows that Tony knows. So he put Ash next to Tony and said, have a look at him

Now Tony Adams says Wenger couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. Sounds harsh but there is a pattern developing here.
Paul Merson (I know) said Harry Redknapp was a much better tactician than Wenger. That shouldn't be the case for an Arsenal manager.

We've seen first-hand how tactically naive Wenger has been over the last 13 years at Arsenal, especially in Europe, hence why he has such a shocking resume in Europe for someone managing as long as he has at top level. Diabolical

I'm talking about working on specifics on the training ground. Transitions, creating overloads, play-rounds, setting up forward platforms, attacking patterns, defensive shape, pressure cover balance etc.

That's why Arsenal is crying out for a Max Allegri type manager/head coach similar to what Chelsea have with Conte

[GoonerAlexandre]

^
I think you have a valid point there. Wenger can't coach positioning to save his life, and we can see that in Europe. It's not a huge thing though. SAF delegated most coaching assignments and only did the managing of it, and the transfers. The issue is that Wenger has surrounded himself with yes-men, instead of getting in some actual coaches. Bould, or even Adams, if he got the job, would be very less likely to say, "Our defence isn't working, we want to do extra training," because they've worked UNDER Wenger before, and that sort of habit sticks.

If there's a DOF, Wenger would not longer be able to do this........

That said, Wenger's gone in 12 days so it doesn't really matter.

[GoonerAlexandre]

Now Tony Adams says Wenger couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. Sounds harsh but there is a pattern developing here.
Paul Merson (I know) said Harry Redknapp was a much better tactician than Wenger. That shouldn't be the case for an Arsenal manager.

We've seen first-hand how tactically naive Wenger has been over the last 13 years at Arsenal, especially in Europe, hence why he has such a shocking resume in Europe for someone managing as long as he has at top level. Diabolical

I'm talking about working on specifics on the training ground. Transitions, creating overloads, play-rounds, setting up forward platforms, attacking patterns, defensive shape, pressure cover balance etc.

That's why Arsenal is crying out for a Max Allegri type manager/head coach similar to what Chelsea have with Conte

Couple of things here.

The first example is excellent delegation, something Arsene is no longer good at. Having Adams do the work of coach, as a player, is both brilliant man-management and also great delegation. Sadly, we no longer buy such players, or foster such environments

Re- The bolded, I agree. Here's Henry explaining it:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... in-plan-a/

That said, it's obvious that even Wenger does some coaching and tactics
"But Arsene is a big believer in his pre-game plan. He gave us our instructions before kick-off — “watch out for him, track his runs” — and trusted that was the answer."- Henry

However, specific tactics? Not at all, as that link shows, Wenger gave them full creative freedom, with some restrictions.

Contrast with Pep:


Though even with all this, we can see that "can't coach his way out of a paper bag" is quite a huge exaggeration. It's obvious he's a good coach, but not a great one

[MesutOzil11]

A lot of gooners turning on Adams this morning which comes to no surprise.

Yer da and co. Still in his corner.

Wish he just said nothing to be honest instead of looking for a bit of attention. Absolutely no need for it.

Props to Wengs for not being drawn into it this morning when he got of tucked Adams away in about 5 seconds flat.

[MecurialGooner]

Yes, I'd agree with you on that GA.

A good coach, not a great one. Sadly now past his sell-by date (at Arsenal anyway, if PSG want him they can have him)

[Salibatelli]

Arsene Wenger also gave him two extra titles he wouldn't have had if he kept carrying on the way he was

No-one has to like it, but Tone's a moron. Wenger gave him a chance to coach the U18's and work his way up but he decided to chase money in China

He should really keep his mouth firmly shut

Adams was a top top player before Wenger ever turned up tbf and Adams certainly brought Wenger trophies through his leadership, him and the old guard helped other players along and they all learned from these guys, Wenger would be nothing without players like this as the last decade has shown.

Relies on players to do the hard work for him, now he's got rid of all of these he's being shown up ever single season, we've had so many thrashings in recent times, previously to this the only one I can remember is a 6-2 defeat to Man U in the league cup, it's just embarrassing that's thashings have become the norm now.

So many former players have had their say and they're spot on!

Wenger benefit greatly from inheriting players like Bergkamp, Adams, Dixon, Winterburn, Bould, Keown, Seaman and the fact he had an advantage of knowing the French market, once that advantage disappeared he was shown up to be the average coach he is. When we had the right mix of management and players it worked perfectly, but once Wenger took crucial cogs out of the machine it all started to fall apart.

Got no problem with players saying what they think of Wenger, the way he treats the fans who pay his huge salary is a disgrace quite frankly.

[Sims]

What about the invincibles season where there were 0 old guard defenders or in the run to the CL final which had a record breaking defence which contained Flamini at LB, Senderos & Kolo toure?