Formula One Season 2009 chat

Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby meridamullet » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:41 am

Should be a good race tomorrow, the Brawn cars will speed off into the distance, but the real race will be watching the big players try to move through the field
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:47 am

It will be intresting to see what fuel loads everyone has.
Vettel is well placed.
It really is anyone's (Apart from McLaren's :disgust: ) race to win.
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby meridamullet » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:53 am

All_Arsenal_1886 wrote:It will be intresting to see what fuel loads everyone has.
Vettel is well placed.
It really is anyone's (Apart from McLaren's :disgust: ) race to win.


And maybe force india ;)
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:55 am

Final Qualifying
Saturday, 28 March 2009
Position Country Driver Car number Team Qualifying time
1 great britain Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:26.202
2 brazil Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:26.505
3 germany Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:26.830
4 poland Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:26.914
5 germany Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:26.973
6 germany Timo Glock 10 Toyota 1:26.975
7 brazil Felipe Massa 3 Ferrari 1:27.033
8 italy Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:27.127
9 finland Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:27.163
10 australia Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:27.246
11 germany Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:25.504
12 spain Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:25.605
13 japan Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:25.607
14 finland Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.726
15 great britain Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes
16 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:26.503
17 brazil Nelson Piquet Jr 8 Renault 1:26.598
18 italy Giancarlo Fisichella 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:26.677
19 germany Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:26.742
20 france Sebastien Bourdais 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:26.964

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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby rogerthornhill » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:31 pm

meridamullet wrote:For some reason i can't stand the guy, nothing to do with him being a pom because i use to love Nigel Mansell. Can't quite put my finger on why though


It's probably because Hamilton is an arrogant little prick who thinks that the sun shines out of his backside. A few years ago he let slip what he thinks of the backmarkers when he referred to them as "Monkeys" Well for this race he is down with them.

Great to see Ross Brawn doing so well with his team, I hope that they do very well. I'm also hoping that Ferrari can retain the constructors championship.
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Reverend Gooner » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:54 pm

The Brawn cars are 10-15kg's heavier than the other cars which suggests they are carrying more fuel yet they still owned it, amazing.
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:24 pm

Qualifying analysis - so Brawn weren’t bluffing

They had dominated testing ever since their car first turned a wheel in anger, but it was not until the first qualifying session of the year that Brawn could truly be sure of their real position. Now, however, they can be, as Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello wrapped up the front row of the grid for the first time for a new team since March performed the feat in South Africa back in 1970.

There was further controversy after qualifying when the Toyotas were stripped of their positions for having rear wings deemed to be to flexible, while Williams withdrew a protest over the design of the leading edge of the sidepods on the Ferraris and Red Bulls after deciding it wasn’t in the interests of the sport.

Brawn
Jenson Button, 1m 25.981s, P3/1m 26.202s, P1
Rubens Barrichello, 1m 26.348s, P6/1m 26.505s, P2

Barrichello set the pace in the first two qualifying sessions, but as he found his BGP001 starting to understeer with its race fuel load, so Button found his handling with the edge and poise it had lacked on low fuel. The result was the Englishman’s fourth pole, but Barrichello was also fast enough to take the other front row slot. It was the perfect start for Ross Brawn’s squad.

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel, 1m 27.009s, P13/1m 26.830s, P3
Mark Webber, 1m 26.355s, P7/1m 27.246s, P10, will start P8

Vettel had a problem with a wheel nut which hampered his morning running, but in qualifying he banged in a great lap which showed the true promise of Adrian Newey’s ‘conventional’ car. Webber was not happy with his final lap of Q3, as he found his RB5 unsettled in the bumps of Turn Nine.

BMW Sauber
Robert Kubica, 1m 26.514s, P9/1m 26.914s, P4
Nick Heidfeld, 1m 26.555s, P10/1m 25.504s, P11, will start P9

After struggling for grip on Friday the Swiss-German team made good progress and Kubica was able to put some strong laps together, but even he admitted that fourth was better than he expected. Yet he lost grip on his second Q3 run after Rosberg threw dirt on to the track in Turn 14, otherwise he thought third was possible. Heidfeld, meanwhile, was happy enough until he encountered too much oversteer in the final corner and lost his chance of making it through to Q3. He is hoping KERS (which Kubica does not have) will give him an advantage in the race.

Williams
Nico Rosberg, 1m 25.808s, P1/1m 26.973s, P5
Kazuki Nakajima, 1m 26.078s, P5/1m 25.607s, P13, will start P11

It was tempting to feel disappointed for Williams to start only fifth courtesy of Rosberg after all his practice speed. He said his FW31 was still nice to drive, and was quite happy, suggesting that the team believe some of their rivals to be running lighter on fuel (though it turns out those ahead largely are not). Nakajima looked okay in Q1 and Q2, but made a crucial error that left him stranded in Q2. Again.

Toyota
Timo Glock, 1m 26.410s, P8/1m 26.975s, P6, will start P19
Jarno Trulli, 1m 25.811s, P2/1m 27.127s, P8, will start P20

Toyota had expected better than sixth and eighth on the grid, but were still fine-tuning the balance of their TF109s right through to Q3. Glock was nevertheless quite happy, while Trulli found qualifying harder than he had anticipated and was ultimately disappointed. His main problem was generating sufficient heat in his Bridgestones when it really mattered.

The team was struck a serious blow later in the evening, when the stewards deemed that their rear wings were too flexible and moved both TF109s to the back of the grid. Toyota opted not to appeal.

Ferrari
Felipe Massa, 1m 26.020s, P4/1m 27.033s, P7, will start P6
Kimi Raikkonen, 1m 28.801s, P20/1m 27.163s, P9, will start P7

Massa said he could not feel satisfied with seventh place, having aspired to fifth, but that it was the best he could wring from his F60. Raikkonen lost time with a hydraulic problem in the final practice session, which reduced his running time. Both drivers think they are in good shape for the race, and hope that their KERS systems could confer a significant advantage at the start.

Renault
Fernando Alonso, 1m 27.357s, P17/1m 25.605s, P12, will start P10
Nelson Piquet Jnr, 1m 27.739s, P19/1m 26.598s, P17, will start P14

Almost tongue-in-cheek, Alonso allowed that the plan to fight for the podium might not happen on race day, but explained that a mistake in the penultimate corner may have cost him the chance of fifth or sixth place overall after he failed to make it through Q2. Piquet simply struggled.

McLaren
Heikki Kovalainen, 1m 26.652s, P11/1m 25.726s, P14. will start P12
Lewis Hamilton, 1m 26.714s, P12/no time, P15, will start P18

As they had expected, McLaren struggled in Melbourne. Kovalainen said his MP4-24 was well balanced, but it still lacked grip. Hamilton had the same problem, and another. Fourth gear broke on his second flying lap of Q1, and though he made it through to Q2 he did not run as the team changed the gearbox. That, of course, incurred a penalty, so he was due to start from 20th place until the exclusion of the Toyota moved him back up two spots.

Toro Rosso
Sebastien Buemi, 1m 27.192s, P16/1m 26.503s, P16, will start P13
Sebastien Bourdais, 1m 27.152s, P15/1m 26.964s, P20, will start P17

Buemi was quite happy with the job he did first time out in a full-blown qualifying session, while Bourdais admitted to a mistake on his second run in Q1 and then to failing to get his tyres up to full temperature during his run three out lap.

Force India
Giancarlo Fisichella, 1m 27.492s, P18/1m 26.677s, P18, will start P15
Adrian Sutil, 1m 27.062s, P14/1m 26,742s, P19, will start P16

Ultimately, Force India’s position was established in qualifying after the fast runs Sutil appeared to have done in practice. Fisichella still had some brake locking problems, while Sutil rued lack of downforce as the VJM02’s main shortcoming.

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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:54 pm

Pre-race weights & provisional grid - Brawn not running light For the 2009 season, the FIA are making public the weights of all cars ahead of the race start to help give an idea of relative fuel load. The cars that made Q3 are weighed after qualifying, while the weights of the remaining cars must be declared by their teams shortly after the session. The details from Melbourne show that Brawn GP were not running light, despite their impressive pace.

Below is the provisional grid with each car's weight. Note - Glock and Trulli were excluded from P6 and P8 respectively for illegal rear wings, and hence start from the back. A gearbox penalty dropped Hamilton from 15th to last, before Toyota's exclusion bumped him back up two places.

1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 664.5kg
2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 666.5
3. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 657
4. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 650
5. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 657
6. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 654
7. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 655.5
8. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 662
9. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 691.5
10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 680.7
11. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 690.6
12. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 694.1
13. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India 689
14. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 612.5
15. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 675.5
16. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 684.5
17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 662.5
18. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 655
19. Timo Glock, Toyota, 670
20. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 660
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:02 am

I hope Both the Brawn Racing cars don't take each other out on the first corner.
They're both experianced drivers so it should happen, but the excitement could get to them.
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:43 am

That was a very good race with lots of action.
Lewis 4th, over the moon with that to be honest. Plus Ferrari's are pointless.
Congratulations to Jenson Button's win, and to Brawn GP on their 1-2. (I hope it's not taken away from them on April 14th).
I was gutted to see Vettel and Kubica take each other out with 3 laps left, i like both them drivers very much and would love either of them to partner Lewis in the McLaren.
This time Button deserved his victory and it wasn't gifted like his other one.
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Fordy » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:47 am

im happy with the result

i have decided i dont like Hamilton this year i would still prefer him to win over any none brit but i think hes a bit of a cock so id happy with button doing well this year
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Reverend Gooner » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:47 am

Man that was shocking from Vettel and Kubica, i was gutted for them too but it did make for some serious drama.

Hamilton in 4th is amazing, even more amazing than Trulli in 3rd as the Mclaren sucks.


I really hope that the teams are not banned for the diffuser, i don't see how all 3 teams would not have checked things out legally before doing it.

Early days but i think the rumour about overtaking being easier is a myth. I like kers though although i agree it is unfair on tall drivers like Kubica.


Edit: By the way, if the diffusers are deemed illegal then Hamilton won that race :lol: with Alonso second and Buemi on his debut in 3rd
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Cheese » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:51 am

Fordy wrote:im happy with the result

i have decided i dont like Hamilton this year i would still prefer him to win over any none brit but i think hes a bit of a cock so id happy with button doing well this year

So in lame mans terms your supporting Button, but if he crashes out you want Lewis to beat the others. :)
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Fordy » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:57 am

All_Arsenal_1886 wrote:
Fordy wrote:im happy with the result

i have decided i dont like Hamilton this year i would still prefer him to win over any none brit but i think hes a bit of a cock so id happy with button doing well this year

So in lame mans terms your supporting Button, but if he crashes out you want Lewis to beat the others. :)


thats about it mate although i dont really like him i would still rather it be a brit at the top
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Re: Fomula One season 2009 chat

Postby Reverend Gooner » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:59 am

Anyone else think the the safety car period was a bit more shambolic than usual? It was like noone knew what was going on.
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