Ferrari quit f1

Ferrari quit f1

Postby Reverend Gooner » Tue May 12, 2009 3:00 pm

News just in, Ferrari have decided to pull out of F1 from next season.

This post will be updated when the sites have a full story.



Now i just need Man Utd to pull out of the premiership and i am set :)


Seriously though, this is a sad day for F1 as they are an institution. F1 will survive though, Lotus pulled out and they were massive winners and the sport was fine, Williams were dominant once but if they pull out now it will go on. Ferrari have been dominant recently but things will continue, Aston Martin (but under prodrive name) should take their place next year.


What do we all think?
Is this a bluff?
Is this set up for other teams to follow?
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby rogerthornhill » Tue May 12, 2009 3:08 pm

Toyota have said the same thing. But pulling out is contingent on the £40m budget cap being put into operation. It's all down to the pillocks who are supposed to be running the sport when in fact they are ruining it. If the cap goes ahead and a few more teams pull out then they will get together and run their own show, then they can tell the current administrators to stick their lunatic plans where the sun don't shine.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Fabrestuta » Tue May 12, 2009 3:13 pm

Williams and Lotus pulling out are one thing, BUT, this is Ferrari. They are one of the most storied teams in racing history. If they did pull out F1 would survive but a LOT of people would stop caring about it.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby rogerthornhill » Tue May 12, 2009 3:19 pm

In one way would like to see them pull out then we could see what F1 would be like without them. That's all those demented bastards at FIA deserve. Mosley and Ecclestone? HUH, I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby rogerthornhill » Tue May 12, 2009 3:27 pm

This is from F1 Fanatic - and bear in mind that they say that there should be a cap of just £40m

Ferrari is the F1 team that made the best use of its budget in 2008. The constructors’ champions spent $2.4m per point this year - less than any of its rivals.

At the other end of the scale, Force India and Super Aguri (deceased) failed to score at all, giving no return on their comparatively meagre budgets. Honda spent almost 12 times as much per point scored as Ferrari. Full breakdown below.

Team Estimated 2008 budget* Points $ per point
Ferrari $414,900,000.00 172 $2,412,209.30
BMW $366,800,000.00 135 $2,717,037.04
McLaren $433,300,000.00 151 $2,869,536.42
Toro Rosso $128,200,000.00 39 $3,287,179.49
Renault $393,800,000.00 80 $4,922,500.00
Red Bull $164,700,000.00 29 $5,679,310.34
Williams $160,600,000.00 26 $6,176,923.08
Toyota $445,600,000.00 56 $7,957,142.86
Honda $398,100,000.00 14 $28,435,714.29
Force India F1 Team $121,850,000.00 0 n/a
Super Aguri $45,600,000.00 0 n/a

*Source: Formula Money

As Red Bull and Toro Rosso are run by the same company, we can take their totals together: for a combined $292.9m they scored a total of 68 points, costing $4.3m per point.

Interestingly, that is very close to the average paid per point by all the F1 teams combined: $4,378,133.90.

In a closely-fought season, Ferrari spent half a million dollars more per point than it did in 2007. BMW, reflecting its progress, spent over half a million less than it did last year. More information: 2007 F1 teams budgets versus points scored.

But with the global recession putting the squeeze on F1 sponsors, will teams still be able to spend these astronomical sums in the future?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/09/4 ... t-in-2008/
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Reverend Gooner » Tue May 12, 2009 3:36 pm

From that amount to £40m seems a bit drastic.

I am all for a budget cap but they should make it £100m with unlimited testing allowed.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Fabrestuta » Tue May 12, 2009 3:39 pm

Good lord $414m budget for a year. Thats a massive amount of money.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby rogerthornhill » Tue May 12, 2009 4:08 pm

In 2008 Ferrari spent roughly £276 m (Probably a bit less because the pound was stronger then.)

McLaren spent £288 m
BMW £244 m
Renault £262 m
Toyota £296 m
Honda £266 m

And from these budgets they are supposed to cut it back to £40m ??
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Fordy » Tue May 12, 2009 5:12 pm

the cap wont happen guys the only reason they wanted to do it was because people were stopping watching because the same 2 teams won every year and the wanted to change that

well it happened all by its self so they wont do it now
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby BennisBergkamp » Tue May 12, 2009 5:14 pm

Fordy wrote:the cap wont happen guys the only reason they wanted to do it was because people were stopping watching because the same 2 teams won every year and the wanted to change that

well it happened all by its self so they wont do it now


I think you underestimate their capacity for utter incompetence, Fordy
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Fordy » Tue May 12, 2009 5:28 pm

BennisBergkamp wrote:
Fordy wrote:the cap wont happen guys the only reason they wanted to do it was because people were stopping watching because the same 2 teams won every year and the wanted to change that

well it happened all by its self so they wont do it now


I think you underestimate their capacity for utter incompetence, Fordy



thinking about it more you probably right
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Cheese » Tue May 12, 2009 6:39 pm

No team is bigger than F1... bye bye Ferrari.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby damo1583 » Tue May 12, 2009 6:42 pm

Cheese wrote:No team is bigger than F1... bye bye Ferrari.

Hear, Hear.......get on your prancing horse and f**k off into the sunset........
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Fabrestuta » Tue May 12, 2009 7:26 pm

Cheese wrote:No team is bigger than F1... bye bye Ferrari.



I think you underestimate Ferraris appeal around the world.
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Re: Ferrari quit f1

Postby Reverend Gooner » Tue May 12, 2009 7:57 pm

Fabrestuta wrote:
Cheese wrote:No team is bigger than F1... bye bye Ferrari.



I think you underestimate Ferraris appeal around the world.


Yes but it will not kill off formula one, not even close.

The Spanish love their Alonso

The Germans love the monopoly they have on the Grid with Vettel, Rosberg, Glock and Heidfeld as well as BMW and Mercedes engines.

The Brits love their constructors as well as Hamilton and Button

The Asian market just love the sport

The French love their Renault, so much so that i hear the government want the next driver to be French if Piquet goes regardless if there is a better driver out there.


Then we have the Italians, yes they will suffer as they love their ferrari. The sad thing is that they never seem to talk about or cheer on Trulli or Fisichella. It is all Ferrari ferrari friggin glory hunters.

Either way yes the Italian market for the sport will be crippled and some fans around the world will lose interest or not care as much but overall there are enough fans (as listed above) to keep this sport going.

You are also forgetting that Aston Martin (in the form of pro drive) are on the verge of entering next year. Lola look to be coming back and USGP are almost certainly in next year bringing the American market in. The Sport is expanding as well as diminishing, i think it will survive just fine.




Saying all this while i agree completely with a wage cap i completely disagree with the two tier plan, that is shit. Who even really remembers that Jonathan Palmer (i think it was) won the naturally aspirated championship in 1987? No diss to him but history does not really remember those two years, lets not do that again.
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