The general boxing thread

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DG
I asked earlier who have you shared the ring with.
Pad work
Sparring
Where ever you trained even if you didnt fight long the club trainer must have some association could be he trained known champions or boxed himself ?,
For me I am a no body
I originally trained at a school club and won junior titles gave up when left school to fulfill a promise to my mother, much the Dr Mckay upset he was NZ manager at that time.
I went back in my 30s after working some time as a doorman/ personal security. I then trained at the meehan gym under mike 10 times NZ champ. His cousin Billy jr was the NZ olympic coach this season.
I didnt have another actual fight because I went to the south island for my business before.
When in the south island after about 4 years I become the junior trainer at the local gym once I stuck my head in the gym.
I have done rounds with mike who is the same age as myself, I did rounds at that time with a heavy weight called Shane Cameron ( the mountain warrior) he was at one time top 10 IBF ranked.
I was lucky enough to meet Joe Frazier who was interesting.
But best person I met in boxing and also the person with the biggest aura I have ever met was Rubin Carter ( the hurricane) that's a story in itself.
Boxing is a funny thing you can train people to do incredible things and look incredible in front of a bag or sparring, but you can not coach what a fighter does once he is hit,that largely becomes natural instinct.
So no real way of ever knowing who beats who unless it happens

[jayramfootball]

I watched the Joshua - Usyk fight again.
Just really stood out how scared Joshua is these days of getting hit. He looks like a prancing pony when he boxes now. No intent, just trying to not get hit.
Thing is his defence is appalling and he can't take a punch well. When he gets hit his recovery time is way too long. Imagine Wilder or Fury hitting him instead of a cruiserweight. It would be dangerous for him.
Looking at that again, it seems to me that any fight he had in him left when he got battered by Ruiz.

[Power n Glory]

I watched the Joshua - Usyk fight again.
Just really stood out how scared Joshua is these days of getting hit. He looks like a prancing pony when he boxes now. No intent, just trying to not get hit.
Thing is his defence is appalling and he can't take a punch well. When he gets hit his recovery time is way too long. Imagine Wilder or Fury hitting him instead of a cruiserweight. It would be dangerous for him.
Looking at that again, it seems to me that any fight he had in him left when he got battered by Ruiz.

He reminds me of Audley Harrison. Scarred to let his hands go and terrified of taking a punch.

[DiamondGooner]

DG
I asked earlier who have you shared the ring with.
Pad work
Sparring

I competetd in the ABA's and was undefeated at HW (amatuer HW not pro, more like CW in actual size).

I was one of the best boxers in my area for years.

I've met Joe Calzage, Frank Bruno, Julias Francis and Tony Bellew.

Not that any of that counts for you or me, Wilder is a former WBC HW champ of the world and his technique is fkin horrible.
What counts is boxing IQ, mine is high if I do say so myself, but that's my opinion.

[DiamondGooner]

Where did DG say that Fury will win ONLY because he's tall? And what does MMA have to do with boxing? Hothead you're talking nonsense

Fury has average power for a heavyweight, so the thing that elevates him above others seems to be his height/size and boxing skill according to DG. So Jedi, in a sport of margins, if his power doesn't set him apart, the last time i knew dancing around didn't win fights.

Next, MMA, firstly its a pugelistic art, the same traits that make boxers great make MMA fighters great, the ability to absorb punishment, speed, power, technique, determination, heart. Given at the elite level there are no chumps in MMA size can make a difference, but we see skill levels vary. All things equal the bigger man would win - hence why such a shit boxer like Wilder became a world champ, cos he is so much bigger than his opponents.

Klitschko, so much bigger than his opponents.

But but .... I am talkiing nonsense

In order of the nonsense.

1 - Should of told Muhammed Ali that.

2 - MMA and boxing are nothing a like except that their all athletes, it is not a "pugilistic" art, MMA is highy founded on grappling more than anything, in fact all those same attributes you mentioned can be completely eradicated by someone with simply much higher level of submission, so all that toughness etc you mentioned can be kicked right out of the window in MMA, not so much in boxing.

3 - Wilder firstly is one of the lightest HW's in the division, the only size he has is height and that's it, he didn't get to where he is on size (almost always the lighter man) he got there because of his power .......... the same power you seem to not even acknowledge he has.

This conversation is like trying to teach a dolphin how to climb a tree.

You should park the strong opinions and discuss the why's and the where's before you make such bold statements.

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DG
I asked earlier who have you shared the ring with.
Pad work
Sparring

I competetd in the ABA's and was undefeated at HW (amatuer HW not pro, more like CW in actual size).

I was one of the best boxers in my area for years.

I've met Joe Calzage, Frank Bruno, Julias Francis and Tony Bellew.

Not that any of that counts for you or me, Wilder is a former WBC HW champ of the world and his technique is fkin horrible.
What counts is boxing IQ, mine is high if I do say so myself, but that's my opinion.

Means something to me because alot of peeps dont understand what it takes to lace on the gloves

[theHotHead]

I watched the Joshua - Usyk fight again.
Just really stood out how scared Joshua is these days of getting hit. He looks like a prancing pony when he boxes now. No intent, just trying to not get hit.
Thing is his defence is appalling and he can't take a punch well. When he gets hit his recovery time is way too long. Imagine Wilder or Fury hitting him instead of a cruiserweight. It would be dangerous for him.
Looking at that again, it seems to me that any fight he had in him left when he got battered by Ruiz.

He reminds me of Audley Harrison. Scarred to let his hands go and terrified of taking a punch.

Oh snap - thats EXACTLY who he reminds me of !! Likewise Harrison was a fraid to let the shots go, that was so apparent about Joshusa in the Usyk fight. The thing is, when Joshua did throw heat, you could see the difference in power anfd intent compatred to what Usyk threw, so much more power was there. Baffled about Joshua's game plan, to outbox a boxer

[Phil71]

As I've said before - Joshua is a flat track bully.

He doesn't have a scooby doo how to fight top level opposition.

[theHotHead]

Where did DG say that Fury will win ONLY because he's tall? And what does MMA have to do with boxing? Hothead you're talking nonsense

Fury has average power for a heavyweight, so the thing that elevates him above others seems to be his height/size and boxing skill according to DG. So Jedi, in a sport of margins, if his power doesn't set him apart, the last time i knew dancing around didn't win fights.

Next, MMA, firstly its a pugelistic art, the same traits that make boxers great make MMA fighters great, the ability to absorb punishment, speed, power, technique, determination, heart. Given at the elite level there are no chumps in MMA size can make a difference, but we see skill levels vary. All things equal the bigger man would win - hence why such a shit boxer like Wilder became a world champ, cos he is so much bigger than his opponents.

Klitschko, so much bigger than his opponents.

But but .... I am talkiing nonsense

In order of the nonsense.

1 - Should of told Muhammed Ali that.

2 - MMA and boxing are nothing a like except that their all athletes, it is not a "pugilistic" art, MMA is highy founded on grappling more than anything, in fact all those same attributes you mentioned can be completely eradicated by someone with simply much higher level of submission, so all that toughness etc you mentioned can be kicked right out of the window in MMA, not so much in boxing.

3 - Wilder firstly is one of the lightest HW's in the division, the only size he has is height and that's it, he didn't get to where he is on size (almost always the lighter man) he got there because of his power .......... the same power you seem to not even acknowledge he has.

This conversation is like trying to teach a dolphin how to climb a tree.

You should park the strong opinions and discuss the why's and the where's before you make such bold statements.

Should have told Ali what ? you are the one claiming Fury is the best heavyweight ever

If you think MMA and boxing are nothing alike you are a bigger fool than your previous posts suggested. Considering Boxing is a key part of MMA, considering every top MMA fighter has a striking coach, considering most of the top heavyweights in MMA are not grapplers at all, they are stand up fighters, boxing plays a massive part:

1) Francis Ngannou - striker
2) Cyril Gane - striker
3) Stipe Miocic - striker and wrestler
4) Derrick Lewis - striker
5) Curtis Blaydes - wrestler
6) Alexander Volkov - striker
7) Jairzinho Rozenstruick - striker
8) Tom Aspinall - striker
9) Chris Daukaus - no idea
10) Augusto Sakai - no idea
11) Marcin Tybura - no idea
12) Alexander Romanov - no idea
13) Walt Harris - striker
14) Sergey Spivak - no idea
15) Tai Tuivasa - striker

Shows how much you know about MMA, you claim all it takes is someone with a much higher level of submission to eradicate other skills, thats nonsense yet the vast majority of wins across all classes are from knockouts not submissions.

https://themmaguru.com/best-fighting-style-for-mma/

Boxing is an important Martial Art for MMA because it teaches fighters head movement and footwork technique. It’s also extremely effective in self-defense situations, as most fights start standing up. Boxing is a sport that has been celebrated by the masses throughout history. Fighters like Muhammed Ali and Floyd Mayweather have completely changed the sport of Boxing.

Who uses Boxing in MMA?

Well, almost everybody uses Boxing in MMA because every fight starts standing up. When you think of professional MMA fighters with great Boxing, of course Conor McGregor’s name comes to mind. Conor is actually a fantastic boxer with a karate style stance. This is how you know MMA is special, a boxer with a karate style stance that has been able to win multiple UFC titles. Other great boxers in MMA include: Cody Garbrandt, Jorge Masvidal, and even BJJ practitioner Nate Diaz has great boxing.

How Important is Boxing in MMA?

Learning Boxing is very important in MMA. To put it in perspective, almost every MMA fighter has taken a Boxing class. It’s very common for BJJ competitors and college Wrestlers to start training Boxing while learning MMA because it will help them round out their game. It can be very difficult for wrestlers to transition their game to learning striking, while other fighters such as Champion Tj Dillashaw (who started his career as a wrestler) have done an amazing job learning Martial Arts such as Muay Thai.

So when you see fighters standing up and "boxing" in the octogon according to you DG they are not boxing because it is nothing like boxing

No dunce can be a teacher, I thought you might be able to teach me something, turns out you are full of yourself .. and hot air.

[theHotHead]

DG
I asked earlier who have you shared the ring with.
Pad work
Sparring

I competetd in the ABA's and was undefeated at HW (amatuer HW not pro, more like CW in actual size).

I was one of the best boxers in my area for years.

I've met Joe Calzage, Frank Bruno, Julias Francis and Tony Bellew.

Not that any of that counts for you or me, Wilder is a former WBC HW champ of the world and his technique is fkin horrible.
What counts is boxing IQ, mine is high if I do say so myself, but that's my opinion.

Means something to me because alot of peeps dont understand what it takes to lace on the gloves

One of my ex colleagues was an amateur heavyweight, had about 10 fights I think he said, his brother had a lot more than that. We started training together to get fit, he convinced me to buy some gloves and a whacking great body protector, we used to go to the gym during our lunch break and spar. Turns out the body protector was big and cumbersome and got in the way so I got rid of it. We used 16oz Lonsdale gloves. We said no headshots but anything else goes.

The first time I got hit on the nose from a stray shot, the searing pain that went through me literally made my eyes water ! We were both 17st10 at the time, 6ft3, identical size and stature. What I noticed was his combinations, I had never really paid any mind to combinations prior, he was throwing 4 and 5 punch combos and always seemed to be in perfect balance with each shot, he never put full power in his shots, more like 60-75%, the sheer volume of his attacks would leave me in a heap as opposed to the power. I'd go for revenge and try to crack him with hard shots because I didn't have combos. Taught me a thing or two, boxing wasn't for me, the pain of being punched accidentally on the nose confirmed that.

[Jedi]

Hothead you're talking absolute bollocks again. Nobody disagrees that boxing is a useful skill to have in MMA. The point is that to be remotely successful in MMA you need a good grappling background and even if you want to be a pure striker you still need to be good enough at grappling to at least be able to stuff takedowns consistently.

The grappling aspect of MMA plus the leg kicks/elbows and much smaller glove size completely change the dynamics and make most boxing styles/guards completely obsolete. So just because something works in MMA that doesn't mean that translates to boxing. All you need is to look at that idiot Jake Paul who's a boxing novice and is bringing in MMA champions to the boxing ring and knocking them out.

[DiamondGooner]

Should have told Ali what ? you are the one claiming Fury is the best heavyweight ever

If you think MMA and boxing are nothing alike you are a bigger fool than your previous posts suggested. Considering Boxing is a key part of MMA, considering every top MMA fighter has a striking coach, considering most of the top heavyweights in MMA are not grapplers at all, they are stand up fighters, boxing plays a massive part:

Shows how much you know about MMA, you claim all it takes is someone with a much higher level of submission to eradicate other skills, thats nonsense yet the vast majority of wins across all classes are from knockouts not submissions.

So when you see fighters standing up and "boxing" in the octogon according to you DG they are not boxing because it is nothing like boxing

No dunce can be a teacher, I thought you might be able to teach me something, turns out you are full of yourself .. and hot air.

Are you alright mate?

MMA and boxing are ......... nothing alike.

One is a sport purely stand up and you can only use punches, the other is the complete opposite, that's how they're nothing alike.

Muay thai, Wrestling, submissions, stand up and ground game are not in boxing so yeah ........ its like comparing Football and Rugby you bloody dougnut, you kick in Rugby as well, so what? completely different sports.

Have you not seen the recent MMA fighters crossing over to boxing? Tyrone Woodly, long time Welterweight champ beaten by Jake Paul ffs ........ so yeah totally the same.
Randy Couture beat James Tony in 1 round, if MMA was like boxing would that happen? no.

You've got problems lad.

You spent all that time trying to detail MMA to me, I've been watching the UFC since UFC 1 back before 1995, I mean what are you doing?

I've done MMA for years and my Cousin has had matches.

Boxing in MMA is nothing like boxing in actual boxing, the stance is different because of takedowns and Thai low leg kicks and MMA fighters to people who have a keen eye, don't have the intricacies of technique that a boxer has.

Look at the way Woodley couldn't beat Jake or the way Connor a renowned good striker in MMA, look at the way he boxed Floyd, no boxer fights like that.

.............. and no I can't teach you anything, as I said, its like trying to teach a dolphin to climb a tree.

Maybe if you stopped ranting and trying to "one-up" you'd stop to ask why I'm saying what I'm saying?

[DiamondGooner]

One of my ex colleagues was an amateur heavyweight, had about 10 fights I think he said, his brother had a lot more than that. We started training together to get fit, he convinced me to buy some gloves and a whacking great body protector, we used to go to the gym during our lunch break and spar. Turns out the body protector was big and cumbersome and got in the way so I got rid of it. We used 16oz Lonsdale gloves. We said no headshots but anything else goes.

The first time I got hit on the nose from a stray shot, the searing pain that went through me literally made my eyes water ! We were both 17st10 at the time, 6ft3, identical size and stature. What I noticed was his combinations, I had never really paid any mind to combinations prior, he was throwing 4 and 5 punch combos and always seemed to be in perfect balance with each shot, he never put full power in his shots, more like 60-75%, the sheer volume of his attacks would leave me in a heap as opposed to the power. I'd go for revenge and try to crack him with hard shots because I didn't have combos. Taught me a thing or two, boxing wasn't for me, the pain of being punched accidentally on the nose confirmed that.

Well neither of those words have ever or would I ever allow to utter from my mouth.

The first boxing session I went to when I was 16 I came home thinking it was the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life and was thinking "I might just go back to Judo", I decided right there and then that if I ever wanted to be the fighter I wanted to be I was going to go back to the next boxing class and become fit enough etc.

Anyway 20 or so years later .............

I used to have epic sparring matches, always go hard as long as the other guy wasn't a complete flake then I'd have to take it easy.

I didn't go hard to be an arsehole, I used to go hard because that's what a proper match is going to be like and you can't ask for "no head shots" in a match, for me I used to prepare to kill or be killed, I just found that was the best way for me to prepare for a match.

Also I got hit in the nose in my last sparring session by a guy over 18st who's now a bare knuckle champion and his KO'ing HW's all over the show.
I barely squinted although I had a small trickle of blood come down, I just thought "Right I'm going to whack this big mofo with the best shot I have" and I did.
He said that was the hardest he's been hit in any of his fights.

Bit out of my weight class though by 4 stone and I'm getting older, not as fit / tough as I used to be, I used to be an animal, I miss the days.

[VCC]

Dont have to hit hard if you counter punch and use the opponents momentum, it's all about timing.

[Rockape]

I gave up boxing when I discovered my back was allergic to canvas!

I was also a good looking young lad and didn't fancy having my nose spread across my face!