by VCC » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:59 pm
by DiamondGooner » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:02 pm
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Foreman said Liston is the only fighter to ever back him up in sparring and the only person to ever intimidate him.
by DiamondGooner » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:09 pm
by Ach » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:15 pm
theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:Jedi wrote:All I will say:
2020s > 90s
Don't watch the highlights. Go and watch this fight in full without looking at the result. I'm so glad I watched it live.
Loooooool you what John?!!!
Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe and Frank Bruno versus Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Usyk, Dillian White et al, you think the latter is a better period than the former?!!
Well the Tyson of the 90's was not a great fighter.
Frank Bruno? No.
Riddick Bowe?? Come on
Holyfield yeah and Lewis yeah.
Fury is one of best ever.
Usyk looks a good fighter - we'll see how he does going forward (i don;t think beating Joshua is much of an achievement)
Joshua - meh.. basically another Frank Bruno
White is rubbish.
Errrrrr ... you just agreed with me Jay!
by Losmeister » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:54 am
by theHotHead » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:37 am
DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wilder above Foreman?
His best win is Ortiz ffs.
I think DG has been smoking the hard stuff ......
He is placing to much value on Fury beating Wilder 3 times, FFS, Wilder isn't even good and his so-called punch power - meh. Fighting a load of bums padding out his record doesn't make him a hard hitter or great. Fury has boxing skill but there is not a hope in hell that Fury could stand up to heavy weight greats like Foreman, Ali, Tyson and Lewis. He wouldn't beat Frank Bruno because Fury's knockdown power isn't up there.
You've just disqualified yourself in spectactular fashion with that statement.
That's worse than even what JayRam has come out with.
by theHotHead » Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:46 am
by VCC » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:05 am
by jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:19 am
DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wilder above Foreman?
His best win is Ortiz ffs.
I think DG has been smoking the hard stuff ......
He is placing to much value on Fury beating Wilder 3 times, FFS, Wilder isn't even good and his so-called punch power - meh. Fighting a load of bums padding out his record doesn't make him a hard hitter or great. Fury has boxing skill but there is not a hope in hell that Fury could stand up to heavy weight greats like Foreman, Ali, Tyson and Lewis. He wouldn't beat Frank Bruno because Fury's knockdown power isn't up there.
You've just disqualified yourself in spectactular fashion with that statement.
That's worse than even what JayRam has come out with.
by Rockape » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:51 am
by Rockape » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:56 am
by theHotHead » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:05 am
Losmeister wrote:What do we make of Wilder's time as the HW champ?
by Power n Glory » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:07 am
Rockape wrote:Yeah I’m certainly with HH on Mike Tyson, but probably not Bruno.
Also, let’s not let Tysons record get in the way of this debate about who would beat who. Mike Tyson lost his way quite quickly…….but at his best, he’d had removed Fury from the ring within a few mins if not seconds. Only those with the finest footwork and great jabs like Ali and Lewis would stand a chance of keeping him out and prolonging the fight far enough to give them a chance.
by jayramfootball » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:21 am
theHotHead wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wilder above Foreman?
His best win is Ortiz ffs.
I think DG has been smoking the hard stuff ......
He is placing to much value on Fury beating Wilder 3 times, FFS, Wilder isn't even good and his so-called punch power - meh. Fighting a load of bums padding out his record doesn't make him a hard hitter or great. Fury has boxing skill but there is not a hope in hell that Fury could stand up to heavy weight greats like Foreman, Ali, Tyson and Lewis. He wouldn't beat Frank Bruno because Fury's knockdown power isn't up there.
You've just disqualified yourself in spectactular fashion with that statement.
That's worse than even what JayRam has come out with.
I have watched all of Fury's fights and I have watched all of Tyson's fights and most of Lewis' fights. I have seen the big Ali fights and all of Bruno's fights. Here is why I am right and you are sadly mistaken:
Fury vs Foreman - Foreman had a far more powerful punch than Wilder who I think doesn't have that special a power punch at all, its over hyped. If Fury got clipped by Foreman it would be lights out, Fury has not demonstrated punch resistance, his movement when shadow boxing and hitting the bag is not the movement we see in fights.
Fury vs Ali - Ali demonstrated that he could beat the biggest punchers in Liston, Frazier and Foreman, his movement and ringcraft run rings around Fury's actual ringcraft. This shouldn't even be a discussion.
Fury vs Tyson - Tyson may have struggled with the height of Fury but his entire record is littered with fighters taller/bigger than him. Tyson was excellent at getting in close and delivering devastating body and head shots. Tyson had "real" knockout power as opposed to Wilder's exaggerated so-called power. I don't see Fury making a dent on Tyson.
Fury vs Lewis - Lewis in his prime was too good an all round boxer for Fury to beat. Not small at I think 6ft5, he had the height to not worry about Fury's advantage and the power and the jab to make Fury wary not to mentioned the boxing skill lacked by the current crop of heavyweights. Fury doesnt have the punch power to trouble Lewis.
Fury vs Bruno - Bruno, a supremely conditioned fighter with a big heart. His only losses were to Tyson twice, Lennox Lewis, Bonecrusher Smith and Tim Witherspoon, the best fighters in the era. I already said the current crop are nowhere as good as those in the 90s, definitely not as good as those in the 80s!
by Arsenal Tone » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:45 am