The general boxing thread

[theHotHead]

I am dismissing the Fury victory because I don't think he took Usyk seriously, he didn't take Ngannou seriously and I think he did the same vs Usyk. Thats why he beat Fury, I think there is considerable daylight between the 2 in the rematch, just my gut feeling.

I know he was a monster at Cruiserweight but again, I didn't see a monster when he fought. He beat Bellew and everyone said they were worried for Bellew -- Usyk was that good a fighter, but I don't see vicious fighter, I see a boxer. I don't see a Nigel Benn or a Tyson -- fighters that terrify an opponent, I don't see a Mayweather who is hard to hit with his supreme skill. I just don't see anything that tells me at Heavyweight he would/should/could clean up shop, I just don't see it.

[Jedi]

Let's make this clear: Fury was at his lightest weight since 2019 vs Usyk. That means he trained his ass off for that specific fight. Stop with this foolishness.

Usyk is not a brawler/destroyer or a defensive boxer and that's why you don't see that. He's a technician who will outbox you while being on the front foot and has ungodly cardio.

Watch any fight (including the Fury fight) and you will see the same thing, time and time again. His opponents will seemingly hold their own and until round 7-8 it sometimes seems like an even affair. Then when you expect both fighters to slow down, he simply switches to another gear and gets up off his stool looking like the first round just started and just drowns the other fighter.

Also, his boxing IQ is A+++. For example, what happened in the Dubois fight when he was hit with a low blow? Did he feel discouraged and go into his shell, maybe be worried he's going to get hit with the same punch again? No, Usyk adjusts and closes that opening and then walks down Dubois and ultimately knocks him out. That's who this guy is and that's what he's done his whole career. He always finds a way.

Unlike Mike Tyson who's a quitter, Fury is similar in that way to Usyk. Incredibly fearless and has no quit in him, but the difference is outside the ring. While Usyk is a consummate professional who always stays in shape, Fury balloons in weight after every fight and destroys his body with booze. That's what's separates them.

And the reason you don't understand that is because Usyk is not an Anglosphere fighter so UK or US pundits don't give him his props. They're finally starting to do it now, but they should've done it a long time ago. Even with Wladimir Klitschko, sure he wasn't the flashiest champion, but I believe his reign would be considered much better if he made the UK his hub and not Germany.

There's this delusion that to prove you're "for real" you have to come to the UK/US and beat their fighters when often it's the opposite and Eastern European fighters are some of the best in the world.

[theHotHead]

f**k me Jedi you manage to find ways to post garbage I didn't think possible.

He's a technician thats why I don't see it ?? So I never watched the likes of Mayweather or Roy Jones or Sugar Ray Leonard ?!! Dafuq are you talking about ?!

Mike Tyson is a quitter ? The hell are you talking about ? Mike Tyson is the epitome of not being a quitter, do you think being in a boxing match was tougher than the life he lived on the streets ?!

Anglosphere fighter ???? f***ing hell bro, I knew about Lomachenko before you did - I bet you ! Stop assuming you know so much, its a bad look.

[Jedi]

Mike Tyson is a quitter ? The hell are you talking about ? Mike Tyson is the epitome of not being a quitter, do you think being in a boxing match was tougher than the life he lived on the streets ?!

Yes, he quit vs Holyfield in the 2nd fight. He saw the writing on the wall and took his way out. Media worked overtime to make that moment seem like Mike Tyson was so ferocious he couldn't contain himself and bit off Holyfield's ear.

Nope, that's not what happened. He was losing and wanted it to stop so he found a way to get DQ'd.

In general, Tyson was a freak of nature and very rarely had his mental tested because he was so much better than everyone else.

But every time he did face real adversity, he came unstuck. Teddy Atlas has spoken about this many times. Tyson was a scared kid in the body of a monster.

[DiamondGooner]

Beterbiev vs Bivol.

Two of the best boxers of the last decade.

Amazing contest, will be on in an hour, can't wait.

[Losmeister]

I thought bivol by split decision..one or 2 rounds...

[Losmeister]

Waiting on diamondg.....let us know ur thoughts, please.

[theHotHead]

Mike Tyson is a quitter ? The hell are you talking about ? Mike Tyson is the epitome of not being a quitter, do you think being in a boxing match was tougher than the life he lived on the streets ?!

Yes, he quit vs Holyfield in the 2nd fight. He saw the writing on the wall and took his way out. Media worked overtime to make that moment seem like Mike Tyson was so ferocious he couldn't contain himself and bit off Holyfield's ear.

Nope, that's not what happened. He was losing and wanted it to stop so he found a way to get DQ'd.

In general, Tyson was a freak of nature and very rarely had his mental tested because he was so much better than everyone else.

But every time he did face real adversity, he came unstuck. Teddy Atlas has spoken about this many times. Tyson was a scared kid in the body of a monster.

Thats a very creative take on it Jedi !

Considering Tyson lost to Lewis and Douglas - both fair and square losses, he didnt resort to anything naughty in those fights. He clearly stated the reason he bit Holyfield was because Holyfield was fighting dirty, head butting him and all sorts. One such headbutt resulted in a cut and the ref was not doing his job properly, just like the first fight when Tyson got cut due to being headbutted by Holyfield.

Quit the fight my arse.

Teddy Atlas is a punk and a well know Tyson hater, know your history. Tyson fought Douglas under the shadow of not training, partying his ass off and taking lots of drugs, thats all well known.

Tyson fought Lewis while being gassed up by the Nation of Islam who were in his ear making him make stupid decisions left right and centre plus he was going through drama with Don King.

There is no way a focused Tyson loses to anyone in that era.

[Jedi]

Yeah, I'm sure you have plenty of excuses for Mike Tyson, just like you did for Tyson Fury vs Usyk but those don't go on their record. Only W's and L's do.

So, I don't care if you think Tyson was PMSing or Douglas had loaded gloves, the reality is he got knocked the f**k out.

Also, the difference between the two losses you mentioned and the Holyfield incident is that the Holyfield fight was a rematch. He already tasted defeat and saw the second fight wasn't going any differently so he found his way out. Keep in mind, it wasn't one infraction either. They let him off with a warning after the first bite but he kept looking for that DQ.

[DiamondGooner]

Waiting on diamondg.....let us know ur thoughts, please.

Sorry bit late, didn't see the responses.

I thought Beterbiev just pulled away in the last few rounds but tbh I'd have to rewatch the fight.

If Bivol didn't slow down in the last 2-3 rounds it might of been different.

Exceptional fight though, it was like two robots fighting, they were so composed.

[Losmeister]

Waiting on diamondg.....let us know ur thoughts, please.

Sorry bit late, didn't see the responses.

I thought Beterbiev just pulled away in the last few rounds but tbh I'd have to rewatch the fight.

If Bivol didn't slow down in the last 2-3 rounds it might of been different.

Exceptional fight though, it was like two robots fighting, they were so composed.

no worries, OBVIOUSLY.

yeah, Bivol blocked MOST of those latye rnd punches... but... just rope a doping... cost him...

I thought Bivol squeaked by on the cleaner blows. but was also rooting for him so... biased.

[theHotHead]

Just seen some highlights of Abdullah Mason, my gosh the boy is going to terrorise divisions !!!