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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:49 am

tufnelltoughie wrote:Being good enough to win the Premier League doesn't always equate to being good enough to win the Champions League, think about it.


Winning the league means we were better that season than Utd or Chelsea ......... winning the CL means we're better than Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Obviously that wasn't the case, Barcelona were extremely dominant in that era.

Was close though and look at how good Henry was, closing people down, tackling, taking on players, shooting ........... fk me if he were around today if Neymar is £190m how would prime Henry not be worth £250m?

I don't care what anyone says the players back then were better, late 90's early 2000's players were the best I've ever seen.

Ronaldhino, Ronaldo (R9), Henry, Zidane, Bergkamp ........ behave.

For me R9 and Henry are the best strikers ever imo.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:27 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:For me R9 and Henry are the best strikers ever imo.


You can debate a lot in football, but Ronaldo being the greatest striker ever is irrefutable.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Sims » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:30 pm

r9 is the only player that could've come close to messi's level imo

them knee injuries man, i cri everytime
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Cripps » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:43 pm

Lol hes better than Messi ever has been
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Marsbar100 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:46 pm

International wise he has been better,that is the highest stage tbf
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Sims » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:00 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:International wise he has been better,that is the highest stage tbf


the time he actually won the world cup (as a starter) he still wasnt really the same level in terms of all round performance that he was at his peak (imo the barca season when he was what, 19???)

98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh

never won the CL, wasnt top scorer in any of his league titles with madrid. if his knee didnt explode twice at inter we'd be looking at possibly the greatest player ever. instead imo he's arguably the greatest talent ever, his career doesnt really match up to the likes of leo and cr7 bar moments like the hat trick against united
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Santi » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:06 pm

Sims wrote:would've been so different if titi could've finished chances he would bag bindfolded against the likes of blackburn




when he buries puyol and then marquez with the same trick :hail: :hail:
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:31 pm

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98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh



Messi in 2014 wasn't anywhere near Ronaldo's '98 WC.

Him winning the Golden Ball was farcical, wasn't even the best player on Argentina (Macsh), let alone the best in the entire tournament.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Cripps » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:38 pm

Messi was f***ing garbage in the knockouts. Jesus Christ Sim wtf
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Marsbar100 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:41 pm

Sims wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:International wise he has been better,that is the highest stage tbf


the time he actually won the world cup (as a starter) he still wasnt really the same level in terms of all round performance that he was at his peak (imo the barca season when he was what, 19???)

98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh

never won the CL, wasnt top scorer in any of his league titles with madrid. if his knee didnt explode twice at inter we'd be looking at possibly the greatest player ever. instead imo he's arguably the greatest talent ever, his career doesnt really match up to the likes of leo and cr7 bar moments like the hat trick against united

The world cup win is what I love most about ronaldo though, thats what makes me think how good he could have been, being the main man at a world cup whilst at probably 50 percent of your potential after virtually 4 years out is crazy.

I think messi under performed from the quarters onward, he had his chance in the final to make himself the unquestionable Goat.

In terms of pure talent i give messi the edge over r9 even in his prime, r9 prime was a physical freak, he was a bulldozer, not saying he wasn't immense technically but it helps if you can just bulldoze people.

Messi whilst being blessed physically in terms of pace isn;t a physical freak like r9 prime or cr7, ultimately r9 body couldn't withstand his bulldozing style, messi on the other just glides and has been blessed with injuries.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Santi » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:49 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Sims wrote:
98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh



Messi in 2014 wasn't anywhere near Ronaldo's '98 WC.

Him winning the Golden Ball was farcical, wasn't even the best player on Argentina (Macsh), let alone the best in the entire tournament.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Cripps » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:52 pm

Mesüt wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Sims wrote:
98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh



Messi in 2014 wasn't anywhere near Ronaldo's '98 WC.

Him winning the Golden Ball was farcical, wasn't even the best player on Argentina (Macsh), let alone the best in the entire tournament.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Marsbar100 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:56 pm

Cripps wrote:
Mesüt wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Sims wrote:
98 world cup he was obvs immense too bar the final, similar to messi's 2014 run tbh



Messi in 2014 wasn't anywhere near Ronaldo's '98 WC.

Him winning the Golden Ball was farcical, wasn't even the best player on Argentina (Macsh), let alone the best in the entire tournament.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby tufnelltoughie » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:06 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
tufnelltoughie wrote:Being good enough to win the Premier League doesn't always equate to being good enough to win the Champions League, think about it.


Winning the league means we were better that season than Utd or Chelsea ......... winning the CL means we're better than Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Obviously that wasn't the case, Barcelona were extremely dominant in that era.


Err...except we didn't qualify as winners of the EPL that season, we were runners up to Chelski, we were better than Real Madrid though as we knocked them out in the 1st knockout stage. :hands:
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:02 pm

It's very very simple. the invincibles underachieved in Europe because Arsene Wenger was the manager.
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