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Santi wrote:I’m just gonna pick up on the ‘doing what arteta wants’ bit, as the rest is fair enough and I largely agree. Although I wasn’t suggesting you have an agenda (a few people definitely do) but I do think it’s a very easy bandwagon to jump on without being fully fair to the player as well.

So as for doing what Arteta wants - do you really think he isn’t? This is the point for me because he seemed to be doing enough of what Arteta wanted pre-lockdown, whilst he wasn’t perfect or even close to it, he was playing about 10 games in a row. So, whilst it’s common to slate his running and defensive abilities, he must’ve been doing enough right to play all those games no? Or do you think Arteta just played him because they were mates before?

It’s only post lockdown that he’s been exiled fully, even worse than under emery. This is why I think it’s down to whatever happened over the wage issue, we’ve seen Arteta take the hard line with Guendouzi when he didn’t play ball and whilst they haven’t confirmed it, it seems the same with Ozil since lockdown.

Now if that’s the reason then it’s fair enough, consistency in his approach and showing no player is above the team or the club. This appears to be the most likely explanation and why it annoys me when people say it’s for footballing reasons (he’s certainly dropped off) because there was no footballing issue 9 months ago and he wasn’t any better then. I think the club just need to make a statement if they want to end the circus because until the reason is put out in the open, there will always be questions. I’d like to put it behind us as much as anyone because it’s just shit for everyone involved, club, Ozil and fans.

themessiah wrote:

Santi wrote:I’m just gonna pick up on the ‘doing what arteta wants’ bit, as the rest is fair enough and I largely agree. Although I wasn’t suggesting you have an agenda (a few people definitely do) but I do think it’s a very easy bandwagon to jump on without being fully fair to the player as well.

So as for doing what Arteta wants - do you really think he isn’t? This is the point for me because he seemed to be doing enough of what Arteta wanted pre-lockdown, whilst he wasn’t perfect or even close to it, he was playing about 10 games in a row. So, whilst it’s common to slate his running and defensive abilities, he must’ve been doing enough right to play all those games no? Or do you think Arteta just played him because they were mates before?

It’s only post lockdown that he’s been exiled fully, even worse than under emery. This is why I think it’s down to whatever happened over the wage issue, we’ve seen Arteta take the hard line with Guendouzi when he didn’t play ball and whilst they haven’t confirmed it, it seems the same with Ozil since lockdown.

Now if that’s the reason then it’s fair enough, consistency in his approach and showing no player is above the team or the club. This appears to be the most likely explanation and why it annoys me when people say it’s for footballing reasons (he’s certainly dropped off) because there was no footballing issue 9 months ago and he wasn’t any better then. I think the club just need to make a statement if they want to end the circus because until the reason is put out in the open, there will always be questions. I’d like to put it behind us as much as anyone because it’s just shit for everyone involved, club, Ozil and fans.

Tbf I can’t wait for Özil to write an autobiography on his time at here ,Would be a good read

Saudi Arabian club Al-Nassr have made a £5 million ($6.5m) bid for Arsenal midfielder Mesut Ozil, reports TYC Sports.

The German is into the final year of his contract at Emirates Stadium and appears to have no future at the club having fallen out of favour under Mikel Arteta.

Ozil's £350,000-a-week wages has proven to be a stumbling block to any teams looking to sign the 31-year-old, though Al-Nassr are ready to offer him a two-year deal.

alexafc12 wrote:I thought Wenger summed it up perfectly.

"Players have lost their technical quality over the past ten years.

"Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making.

DiamondGooner wrote:There is no way back for Ozil because Arteta doesn't want it.

Grow up and live with it ffs, the man's only got a year left and has been ousted from the Europa squad, do you know what that means?

The only time your gonna see Ozil in action is on Fortnight.

themessiah wrote:@HH When was the last time Özil pulled off an 8/10 in 2 games straight? Assist? We have tried all of this with Özil and it led to no where.

HH You are Clamouring for Özil, we would have won against Liverpool, Man City and beat Chelsea in the Fa cup final? Or was your favorite not in action when we lost scandalously in Baku? Where did his nifty and guile passes take us to that night?

This narrative of Arsenal freezing out Özil because he spoke out against China is false.

it's been happening before Özil came out against China's Uighur thing.

The most likely reason was probably the fact that he only notched 1 goal + 1 assist in 9 games playing most of it. And before that he only scored one goal in 7 games.

Knowing Arteta's policy when it comes to team selection, he's given Özil a second chance and probably thought he didn't deliver so finds it better just to leave him out the team.

Callum wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Ozil is just going to retire in 2021 when his contract expires?

Callum wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Ozil is just going to retire in 2021 when his contract expires?

themessiah wrote:

alexafc12 wrote:I thought Wenger summed it up perfectly.

"Players have lost their technical quality over the past ten years.

"Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making.

Wenger would never shit talk his players in public. Mourinho got to work with prime Özil who was a different beast. Emery, Ljunberg and Arteta had to deal with a declining Özil

He’s 33 now ffs, so clearly a shadow of his former self.

Granted he was one of the best midfielders in his day (2010 - 2017), but he very clearly isn’t the same player now.

So when Wenger at the end of his tenure bench him, it was maybe because Özil was not fit, when Emery benched him, he was the biggest as*hole on Earth, when Freddy benched him, he didn't know what he was doing, and now when Arteta bench him it’s because “it’s political, it is never Özil fault” lol