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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:25 pm

VCC wrote:I must watch a fucken totally different Ozil lol


You are not watching any Ozil.
You are watching a team devoid of any creative ability instead.
Ozil is at home on 350k a week.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:29 pm

At this point it would look ridiculous if we don't bring him back in January
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Santi » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:16 am

Don’t know why you’d watch Emery burn himself over this guy and then do the same. If you wanted a creative midfielder then fine, but we didn’t get one and therefore Ozil simply had to be kept as an option for exactly these reasons.

We didn’t necessarily need him, we did fine without him from June to August but to completely bin him and rely on Willock was beyond retarded. Might have cost him his job.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby yadunoe » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:44 am

We need ozil back and Dominik or kick ozil out and Dominik and auaor
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:47 am

yadunoe wrote:We need ozil back and Dominik or kick ozil out and Dominik and auaor


Ozil is 32 he is not the future - why play him for 4 months and deny young players time on the pitch, it's not as if he's done anything in the last two years and we're not finishing top four with or without him ...

The Ozil decision has been made, rightly or wrongly, what's the point of going back over old ground now? Ozil is gone come the summer the situation has been a total clusterfeck another five months of player v manager is that really helping anyone?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Slick » Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:27 am

I’m not sure Arteta deserves the blame in this. Leaving Ozil out of the squad quite possibly was a decision made by someone higher up on the food chain.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:27 am

EliteKiller wrote:
yadunoe wrote:We need ozil back and Dominik or kick ozil out and Dominik and auaor


Ozil is 32 he is not the future - why play him for 4 months and deny young players time on the pitch, it's not as if he's done anything in the last two years and we're not finishing top four with or without him ...

The Ozil decision has been made, rightly or wrongly, what's the point of going back over old ground now? Ozil is gone come the summer the situation has been a total clusterfeck another five months of player v manager is that really helping anyone?

What future? We are talking about saving this season from disaster. You need every experienced hand on deck. You groom young players when you have squad stability. Not when you are fighting from falling into the drop zone. Madness.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:34 am

swipe right wrote:What future? We are talking about saving this season from disaster. You need every experienced hand on deck. You groom young players when you have squad stability. Not when you are fighting from falling into the drop zone. Madness.


But that's all we ever do every year "save the season from disaster" by using overpaid ageing players on their last legs, they when then leave or fail to perform we rinse and repeat the cycle Willian, Soares, Luiz just where did that get us?

We still end up with a disaster plus the added bonus of no future as well ... you want to just keep doing that over and over? Replace Ozil, Auba, Lacca, Luiz, Sokratis with a few more overpaid ageing top club rejects?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby thebigbangtheo » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:56 am

As an atheist, I for one would like to see Ozil reinstated to the team just to prove that the biblical story of Lazarus being risen from the dead ain't all that.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:39 am

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:What future? We are talking about saving this season from disaster. You need every experienced hand on deck. You groom young players when you have squad stability. Not when you are fighting from falling into the drop zone. Madness.


But that's all we ever do every year "save the season from disaster" by using overpaid ageing players on their last legs, they when then leave or fail to perform we rinse and repeat the cycle Willian, Soares, Luiz just where did that get us?

We still end up with a disaster plus the added bonus of no future as well ... you want to just keep doing that over and over? Replace Ozil, Auba, Lacca, Luiz, Sokratis with a few more overpaid ageing top club rejects?

This is not like any other year. Do you not get the gravity of the situation we are in?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:07 am

swipe right wrote: This is not like any other year. Do you not get the gravity of the situation we are in?


We're five points from a CL spot .... seven from relegation .... it's not much different from the new normal.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:36 am

EK, the key points for me:

- Every season for the past 4 seasons we have had dufus managers making dufus decisions resulting in shit performances and painful to watch seasons.

- As a result of managerial incompetence I don't think most of the players -75% of them at least - are as bad as is made out or to blame.

- As Swipe Right stated, now is not the time to be dicking around with certain youngsters who frankly I don't expect to be playing for Arsenal within 2-3 years because they are sub-standard.

- We don't need Ozil to get loads of assists or to even create loads of chances, we need him to simply do what he does naturally and that is be the link between the midfield and the strikers.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:07 am

theHotHead wrote:EK, the key points for me:

- Every season for the past 4 seasons we have had dufus managers making dufus decisions resulting in shit performances and painful to watch seasons.

- As a result of managerial incompetence I don't think most of the players -75% of them at least - are as bad as is made out or to blame.

- As Swipe Right stated, now is not the time to be dicking around with certain youngsters who frankly I don't expect to be playing for Arsenal within 2-3 years because they are sub-standard.

- We don't need Ozil to get loads of assists or to even create loads of chances, we need him to simply do what he does naturally and that is be the link between the midfield and the strikers.


I get what you're saying just don't see the point ...

If you bring back Ozil then Arteta is finished, his credibility is zero, so who replaces him? If you bring back Ozil you have to drop another player out of the squad, so who goes? If you bring back Ozil chances are he will be no better than he was last season when his link up play created almost bugger all, rose-tinted glasses syndrome.

Taking two steps backwards can sometimes be the answer but in competitive sport it very rarely is ...

He should never have got 350k a week (nor should Auba) he should have been sold when his contract was down to 24 months, he should have been paid off last summer .... after all those mistakes bringing him back to finish 8th instead of 10th is it really worth all the aggravation that will inevitably follow?

FYI - The players are bad, this will be the fourth manager they've seen off in four years ... you can't polish a turd
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:21 am

If you believe Ozil has been banished by the club and it's out of Arteta's control then there is little point in hoping for Ozil's return.

Also, the digs Ozil and his agent have aimed at the club and Arteta makes it even more unlikely he'll play for us again. I can't see a way back for him even if this is Arteta's decision.

Ozil's had enough chances. I'm more concerned by the fact that Arteta isn't playing a creative midfielder at all. Give ESR, Saka or even Willian and Ceballos a chance there and see if that helps our ball retention higher up the pitch.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:54 am

He treated Ozil shabbily. Leaving him out of the 25 man squad was a way to publicly humiliate him. Don’t think Ozil deserved that. You reap what you sow.
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