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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:25 am

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Arsenal are ready to pay off the £18m remaining on Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil's contract, which runs for another year, or subsidise the 31-year-old's £350,000-a-week wages if he moves to another club. (Mirror)


Not impressed.

Surely a loan is better and at least get some of that money back unless they are planning on selling him?

Sell him for £10m - £15m and recoup over half the wages back.


Can't loan out someone who won't leave.

That's why Sanchez is twice the player Ozil is. He terminated a superior contract with 2 years to go because he chose football over £££
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:41 am

aniym wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal are ready to pay off the £18m remaining on Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil's contract, which runs for another year, or subsidise the 31-year-old's £350,000-a-week wages if he moves to another club. (Mirror)


Not impressed.

Surely a loan is better and at least get some of that money back unless they are planning on selling him?

Sell him for £10m - £15m and recoup over half the wages back.


Can't loan out someone who won't leave.

That's why Sanchez is twice the player Ozil is. He terminated a superior contract with 2 years to go because he chose football over £££


Surely he'd rather play for a club in Turkey than rot on the bench for a year?

If he's retired now and is just sucking money out of the club then the fans should give him what for, that is not the way to conduct yourself by refusing a loan especially when your on £350k a week.

What about if they pay him the wages in a lump sum like what's being reported then sell him even for £10m to recoup some of that £18m back?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:44 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
aniym wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal are ready to pay off the £18m remaining on Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil's contract, which runs for another year, or subsidise the 31-year-old's £350,000-a-week wages if he moves to another club. (Mirror)


Not impressed.

Surely a loan is better and at least get some of that money back unless they are planning on selling him?

Sell him for £10m - £15m and recoup over half the wages back.


Can't loan out someone who won't leave.

That's why Sanchez is twice the player Ozil is. He terminated a superior contract with 2 years to go because he chose football over £££


Surely he'd rather play for a club in Turkey than rot on the bench for a year?

If he's retired now and is just sucking money out of the club then the fans should give him what for, that is not the way to conduct yourself by refusing a loan especially when your on £350k a week.

What about if they pay him the wages in a lump sum like what's being reported then sell him even for £10m to recoup some of that £18m back?


If you "pay up a contract" that contract ends ... ergo he would no longer be ours to sell. We can't do anything, other than keep paying him to sit at home, without Ozil's agreement, the idea of paying up his contract is simply to get the 'stench' out of the club ... Ozil can accept anything from 0-18.5m to terminate his contract that's entirely down to him ...

The idea of a loan would mean that whilst we still pay out 18.5m to Ozil we would at least recoup a few million back in loan fees, so far the only offer has come from Turkey and that was allegedly 3m for next season ... we would still be 15.5m out of pocket might as well just pay him to get the feck out of our club.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:25 am

EliteKiller wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
aniym wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Ach wrote:
Arsenal are ready to pay off the £18m remaining on Germany midfielder Mesut Ozil's contract, which runs for another year, or subsidise the 31-year-old's £350,000-a-week wages if he moves to another club. (Mirror)


Not impressed.

Surely a loan is better and at least get some of that money back unless they are planning on selling him?

Sell him for £10m - £15m and recoup over half the wages back.


Can't loan out someone who won't leave.

That's why Sanchez is twice the player Ozil is. He terminated a superior contract with 2 years to go because he chose football over £££


Surely he'd rather play for a club in Turkey than rot on the bench for a year?

If he's retired now and is just sucking money out of the club then the fans should give him what for, that is not the way to conduct yourself by refusing a loan especially when your on £350k a week.

What about if they pay him the wages in a lump sum like what's being reported then sell him even for £10m to recoup some of that £18m back?


If you "pay up a contract" that contract ends ... ergo he would no longer be ours to sell. We can't do anything, other than keep paying him to sit at home, without Ozil's agreement, the idea of paying up his contract is simply to get the 'stench' out of the club ... Ozil can accept anything from 0-18.5m to terminate his contract that's entirely down to him ...

The idea of a loan would mean that whilst we still pay out 18.5m to Ozil we would at least recoup a few million back in loan fees, so far the only offer has come from Turkey and that was allegedly 3m for next season ... we would still be 15.5m out of pocket might as well just pay him to get the feck out of our club.


Amen to that brother.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:58 am

all's been said.
he played well for a couple/few years.
then poorly for a couple/few.
now just f**k off.
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Arsenal are prepared to pay off Mesut Ozil's £18m contract to accelerate his exit from the club [Mirror]

accelerate his exit.
sounds like exactly what is needed.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:13 am

Paying off his contract makes no sense whatsoever, its the worst possible option and leaves Arsenal with the least.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Santi » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:58 am

Just do whatever it takes to get rid of him. The circus needs to end.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:14 am

I don't see whats so complicated here. You have 2 entities who are allegedly represented by adults. They need to speak to each other, Arsenal shouldn't be acting like Billy Big Bollocks, thats a start. Assuming there is respect from both sides, Arsenal ask Ozil what it will take for him to leave the club. If Ozil says he refuses to leave under any circumstances then Arsenal either have to keep him and use him or buy out his contract and let him leave for free.

If Ozil entertains the notion of leaving Arsenal need to do whatever it takes to make it so. Any leaving option would be financially better off for the club than keeping him or buying out his contract. It shouldn't take long for Arsenal to know exactly which route to go down, this should not be a difficult negotiation. there is no need for this will he/won't he situation to drag on any longer.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:16 am

Santi wrote:Just do whatever it takes to get rid of him. The circus needs to end.


He doesn't want to leave. He still works hard in training and wants to "fight" for his place. Unless, we terminate his contract, and pay him the remaining £16-17m he's owed, I can't see this saga ending.

If he agrees to go on loan, we'd probably have to pay 70-80% of his wages, which would be a better option than to extend this drama.

I'm pretty sure clubs like Napoli, Milan, Sevilla, etc. would still be interested if we paid a chunk of his wages.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:55 am

Angelito wrote:
Santi wrote:Just do whatever it takes to get rid of him. The circus needs to end.


He still works hard in training and wants to "fight" for his place.


How do you know? By his instagram pictures?

Artete made it very very clear upon arriving at the club that he wants the same energy from absolutely everyone. So im not surprised ozil isnt playing.


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:45 am

Dejan wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Santi wrote:Just do whatever it takes to get rid of him. The circus needs to end.


He still works hard in training and wants to "fight" for his place.


How do you know? By his instagram pictures?

Artete made it very very clear upon arriving at the club that he wants the same energy from absolutely everyone. So im not surprised ozil isnt playing.


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Ozil's exclusion isn't down to Arteta. Don't be silly.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:54 am

Angelito wrote:
Dejan wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Santi wrote:Just do whatever it takes to get rid of him. The circus needs to end.


He still works hard in training and wants to "fight" for his place.


How do you know? By his instagram pictures?

Artete made it very very clear upon arriving at the club that he wants the same energy from absolutely everyone. So im not surprised ozil isnt playing.


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Ozil's exclusion isn't down to Arteta. Don't be silly.


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Zenith » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:00 pm

Prior to the pandemic, and under Arteta, Özil was one of the first names on the team sheet. Fast forward 2 weeks, KSE ask staff/players to take a pay cut, Özil refuses, asks for clarity and hasn't played since.

Whilst there could be other factors at play—factors we, as fans, not privy to—it'd be naive to to think his stance on KSE's request has had no influence on him being frozen out.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:01 pm

Zenith wrote:Prior to the pandemic, and under Arteta, Özil was one of the first names on the team sheet. Fast forward 2 weeks, KSE ask staff/players to take a pay cut, Özil refuses, asks for clarity and hasn't played since.

Whilst there could be other factors at play—factors we, as fans, not privy to—it'd be naive to to think his stance on KSE's request has had no influence on him being frozen out.


It's possible.
Horrible if true and doesn't put Arteta in a good light.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Zenith » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:13 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Zenith wrote:Prior to the pandemic, and under Arteta, Özil was one of the first names on the team sheet. Fast forward 2 weeks, KSE ask staff/players to take a pay cut, Özil refuses, asks for clarity and hasn't played since.

Whilst there could be other factors at play—factors we, as fans, not privy to—it'd be naive to to think his stance on KSE's request has had no influence on him being frozen out.


It's possible.
Horrible if true and doesn't put Arteta in a good light.

I think it's a mistake to shift focus to Arteta because, ultimately, he too is simply an employee who answers to Sanllehi, Josh and Stan.

For years KSE have used managers/head coaches as a tool to shield their own wrongdoings and you'd assume our fans will have wised up by now. That doesn't by any stretch mean that Arteta should be free of criticism, but—for the love of god—lets stop being naive little bunnies for a change.

Arteta, unlike Wenger and Emery, has publicly reiterated that he needs financial backing from the club in order to take us to the next level. I honestly don't know what more that we, as fans, can expect him to do.
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