by Santi » Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:14 pm
by EliteKiller » Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:35 pm
Angelito wrote:Speaking to Der Speigel, Wenger said: “He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte. But you can deal with that if you put some more defensively minded players by his side. The main thing is to get the balance between attack and defence right.”
Wenger did hint, however, that the way the game is played now is perhaps not to the liking of the former Real Madrid man.
“Players have lost their technical quality over the past 10 years,” Wenger argued. “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness. And it's also about being a showman.”
Ozil joined the Gunners when Wenger was still in charge in the summer of 2013 and in the 2015-16 season recorded 19 assists in the Premier League – the second most on record at the time behind Thierry Henry’s 20 in the 2002-03 season, a tally since matched by Kevin De Bruyne.
He was also the quickest player in Premier League history to 50 assists – although De Bruyne has since beaten that record – but he continues to hold the distinction of being the only player to top the assist charts in La Liga, the Bundesliga and the Premier League.
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by swipe right » Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:39 pm
EliteKiller wrote:Angelito wrote:Speaking to Der Speigel, Wenger said: “He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte. But you can deal with that if you put some more defensively minded players by his side. The main thing is to get the balance between attack and defence right.”
Wenger did hint, however, that the way the game is played now is perhaps not to the liking of the former Real Madrid man.
“Players have lost their technical quality over the past 10 years,” Wenger argued. “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness. And it's also about being a showman.”
Ozil joined the Gunners when Wenger was still in charge in the summer of 2013 and in the 2015-16 season recorded 19 assists in the Premier League – the second most on record at the time behind Thierry Henry’s 20 in the 2002-03 season, a tally since matched by Kevin De Bruyne.
He was also the quickest player in Premier League history to 50 assists – although De Bruyne has since beaten that record – but he continues to hold the distinction of being the only player to top the assist charts in La Liga, the Bundesliga and the Premier League.
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So even his mentor concedes he's a lazy f**k "He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte" and that his time has passed “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness"
Yet still the Ozil fan boys will demand we rip up our successful current strategy just to find a place for their hero - you can't fix stupid
by EliteKiller » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:20 am
swipe right wrote:What successful current strategy?
by swipe right » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:19 am
EliteKiller wrote:swipe right wrote:What successful current strategy?
Buying a quality midfield player so we can play 4-3-3 using our attacking front three as the threat and having three midfield players who can all put in a shift to protect the vulnerable back four ... the same strategy Arteta's been working on since we came back from lock-down. Have you missed that?
Same strategy most of the top sides now use - simply no room for a creative non-scoring non-defending player in that set-up.
by EliteKiller » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:45 am
swipe right wrote:EliteKiller wrote:swipe right wrote:What successful current strategy?
Buying a quality midfield player so we can play 4-3-3 using our attacking front three as the threat and having three midfield players who can all put in a shift to protect the vulnerable back four ... the same strategy Arteta's been working on since we came back from lock-down. Have you missed that?
Same strategy most of the top sides now use - simply no room for a creative non-scoring non-defending player in that set-up.
Oh I see. Sorry I misunderstood your post. Yes, 433 is the flavor of the month and I can see Ozil not having a role in that. But let’s be honest, we don’t have the players as yet to successfully play 433. A first step is Partey but we need two more midfielders to play 433 well. In the meantime we are struggling to create chances. Why would we not take the practical step of using Ozil when we are chasing a game by shifting to 4213? He’s not as good as he once was but he’s still our most creative player by a distance.
by VCC » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:50 am
by swipe right » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:56 am
EliteKiller wrote:swipe right wrote:EliteKiller wrote:swipe right wrote:What successful current strategy?
Buying a quality midfield player so we can play 4-3-3 using our attacking front three as the threat and having three midfield players who can all put in a shift to protect the vulnerable back four ... the same strategy Arteta's been working on since we came back from lock-down. Have you missed that?
Same strategy most of the top sides now use - simply no room for a creative non-scoring non-defending player in that set-up.
Oh I see. Sorry I misunderstood your post. Yes, 433 is the flavor of the month and I can see Ozil not having a role in that. But let’s be honest, we don’t have the players as yet to successfully play 433. A first step is Partey but we need two more midfielders to play 433 well. In the meantime we are struggling to create chances. Why would we not take the practical step of using Ozil when we are chasing a game by shifting to 4213? He’s not as good as he once was but he’s still our most creative player by a distance.
Because he's gone in eight months and we might as well develop players for the future than play a player who hasn't produced much when given the opportunity in the last eighteen months.
I'm sure we will see Partey - Xhaka - Ceballos as the midfield three, unlike a lot of posters I think Xhaka is a much better player than people think, with Partey (assuming he lives up to the hype) taking half of the defensive duties off him we just might see a much better version of Xhaka this season ... we can but hope.
If Xhaka continues to be a liability then Elneny, AMN, Saka, and Willock probably all start before Ozil ... not because they're better players but because they are the potential future whilst Ozil is very much in the past.
My guess is it's moot - Ozil won't be in the EPL squad, not for footballing reasons per see but because at least that way Arsenal kill the endless distracting media circus that sadly Ozil has become ...
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:13 am
EliteKiller wrote:
So even his mentor concedes he's a lazy f**k "He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte" and that his time has passed “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness"
Yet still the Ozil fan boys will demand we rip up our successful current strategy just to find a place for their hero - you can't fix stupid
by EliteKiller » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:24 am
theHotHead wrote:EliteKiller wrote:
So even his mentor concedes he's a lazy f**k "He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte" and that his time has passed “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness"
Yet still the Ozil fan boys will demand we rip up our successful current strategy just to find a place for their hero - you can't fix stupid
Only to your idiocy EK.
It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through match stats that Ozil is consistently in the top 25% of Arsenal players in distance covered.
Let me guess, its the wrong kind of stat for you.
Like YOU said, you can't fix stupid!
by Losmeister » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:02 am
VCC wrote:I still think crossing a corner should not be an assist,
A assist imo should come from open play
by Power n Glory » Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:23 am
EliteKiller wrote:theHotHead wrote:EliteKiller wrote:
So even his mentor concedes he's a lazy f**k "He wasn't exactly the one with the greatest discipline on the pitch. And playing the game without the ball wasn’t exactly his forte" and that his time has passed “Athleticism has become more important than technique and decision making. It's more about physical characteristics and intensity, about explosiveness"
Yet still the Ozil fan boys will demand we rip up our successful current strategy just to find a place for their hero - you can't fix stupid
Only to your idiocy EK.
It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through match stats that Ozil is consistently in the top 25% of Arsenal players in distance covered.
Let me guess, its the wrong kind of stat for you.
Like YOU said, you can't fix stupid!
They're not my words that's what Arsene Wenger said in his latest diatribe .... did you miss the quotation marks?
But we at least do agree that Arsene 2020 is now stupid ... finally something we are agreed on ...
by swipe right » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:07 am
by Santi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:24 pm
Losmeister wrote:VCC wrote:I still think crossing a corner should not be an assist,
A assist imo should come from open play
THIS
throwing a ping [ong ball into a sea of goldfish bowls at the carny
by UFGN » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:41 pm