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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Sims » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:47 am

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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Santi » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:14 am

Starting to think Edu’s a bit of a gimp. Liked having him back when he first came in but unless he helps us get more young Brazilians superstars like Martinelli then he’s high on my list for f***ing off tbh.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Tony Adams » Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:37 am

The whole club needed a shake up, he's given it one. Edu in!
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Sims » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:25 am

Edu wants the club to move to a more data and analytics-driven approach which has proved so successful for the likes of Liverpool and Man City, and away from the old fashioned system of having scouts specialising in different locations around the world.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Angelito » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:29 am

Sims wrote:
Edu wants the club to move to a more data and analytics-driven approach which has proved so successful for the likes of Liverpool and Man City, and away from the old fashioned system of having scouts specialising in different locations around the world.


More Xhakas and Mustafis now.

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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Marsbar100 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:51 am

You need to do an eye test for players playing abroad, if you go by stats alone depay for example was a must buy but he couldn't hack it in the PL.m like loads of foreign players
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby StLGooner » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:07 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:You need to do an eye test for players playing abroad, if you go by stats alone depay for example was a must buy but he couldn't hack it in the PL.m like loads of foreign players



You'd be surprised at what a well put together algorithm could tell you though.

Some baseball teams here apply a statistical technique over one that involves a lot of scouts and it works. The Red Sox adopted it and immediately won the World Series, and also the Cubs.

I do however think there needs to be a healthy balance between the two.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Callum » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:49 pm

You need a balance between old-school scouting, data analysis, and a contacts-based approach. I don't think any club can go all in on one and be successful. Given that our scouting-led approach has resulted us singing the likes of Martinelli, and our agents-led one has resulted in Luiz and Cedric, I'm incredibly sceptical about this move. Especially when we seem to be buying Joorabchian's clients at a stupid rate.

At least now we know who to blame or credit if this fails or if it works. Ultimately we need to "outsmart the market", as Raul famously said, and that seems so much harder without a proper scouting network who can identify young talents before the bigger, richer clubs do. It seems instead that we'll just be taking on their cast offs who want one final big contract.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby StLGooner » Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:37 pm

Callum wrote:You need a balance between old-school scouting, data analysis, and a contacts-based approach. I don't think any club can go all in on one and be successful. Given that our scouting-led approach has resulted us singing the likes of Martinelli, and our agents-led one has resulted in Luiz and Cedric, I'm incredibly sceptical about this move. Especially when we seem to be buying Joorabchian's clients at a stupid rate.

At least now we know who to blame or credit if this fails or if it works. Ultimately we need to "outsmart the market", as Raul famously said, and that seems so much harder without a proper scouting network who can identify young talents before the bigger, richer clubs do. It seems instead that we'll just be taking on their cast offs who want one final big contract.



You can find young talent with statistics, and I don't mean just looking at numbers, I mean highly advanced algorithms that can predict certain things about a player. Like I said, it's being done in baseball. However, baseball is a very statistics driven sport, so it's possible it won't work as well in football.


But also like I said, I agree a healthy balance is needed.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby alexafc12 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:11 pm

It's a balance as many said. I don't believe it has to be one or the other.

Use data to generate analysis and stats on a shortlist of players identified through scouting networks.

Or in reverse, run some analysis on a broad player set and then send scouts to go and watch those identified as having potential in person.

Seems really strange to get rid of scout with such a strong track record as Cagigao. Although doesn't sound to dissimilar to the wording around Mislinat leaving.
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Re: Francis Cagigao, Arsenal Scout

Postby Santi » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:20 pm

Sims wrote:
Edu wants the club to move to a more data and analytics-driven approach which has proved so successful for the likes of Liverpool and Man City, and away from the old fashioned system of having scouts specialising in different locations around the world.


Has it proven that successful for Man City? They've just spunked big money on well known stars.
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Re: Francis Cagigao

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Re: Francis Cagigao

Postby Santi » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:06 am

Some odd punctuation but nice message, still not sure about his sacking tbh.
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Re: Francis Cagigao

Postby Ach » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:30 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54050027

How close we really came to getting messi
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Re: Francis Cagigao

Postby Santi » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:24 pm

so but for a work permit and a dodgy negotiation team, we'd have 4 CL's in the bag fs.
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