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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Losmeister » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:00 pm

b/c henry didnt take his chances?
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:50 am

Losmeister wrote:b/c henry didnt take his chances?


Against Chelsea?
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Losmeister » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:34 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
Losmeister wrote:b/c henry didnt take his chances?


Against Chelsea?

i was thinkin v Barca..

and btw, saying " not taking his chances" isnt a harsh thing for me, it happnes. he was an absolute beast. sometimes it dont come off. shrug.
(like messi in WC final v germany)
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:54 pm

Because of the manager. Fairly simple really.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Nuggets » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:23 am

jayramfootball wrote:Because of the manager. Fairly simple really.


Correct!!
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby The Mountain that Rides » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:07 am

I think it's easy to forget that back in 2004 Porto and Monaco both had some great players like Ribery, Deco etc, not to mention quality managers, especially Porto. We weren't even good enough in the CL to get knocked out by one of those teams thanks to our manager.

That said I remember United beat us by playing hoof ball in the FA Cup, then a week later Chelsea did the same thing in the CL, so they worked out there was no point trying to win the midfield battle, not when they could win the aerial battle with our central defenders instead. I seem to remember Cole missed the FA Cup and Ronaldo had a field day against Clichy, even though Cole had always done a great job on Ronaldo. Clichy gave him too much respect.

Even though the CL was the priority that FA Cup game may well have affected us going into the 2nd leg of the CL.

At the end of the day though it all came down to Wenger holding us back, that was the main reason we never won it. Now he can't even get us into the CL...
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby StLGooner » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:43 pm

Maybe they just overachieved in the league?
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Özilfan » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:00 pm

StLGooner wrote:Maybe they just overachieved in the league?


No way. We woz robbed in Europe. Deserved to win that final against UEFAlona imo.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Sims » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:56 pm

Saw a Stat the other day that the common Invincibles XI only started twice together
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Özilfan » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:10 pm

Sims wrote:Saw a Stat the other day that the common Invincibles XI only started twice together


Interesting.

Wanna talk about an underperforming Arsenal side, check this one out:

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Still have nightmares about that game. What was Wenger thinking putting Bendtner on the wing instead of Rosicky in the middle and Nasri on the right?
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby KG3 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:29 pm

The Mountain that Rides wrote:I think it's easy to forget that back in 2004 Porto and Monaco both had some great players like Ribery, Deco etc, not to mention quality managers, especially Porto. We weren't even good enough in the CL to get knocked out by one of those teams thanks to our manager.

That said I remember United beat us by playing hoof ball in the FA Cup, then a week later Chelsea did the same thing in the CL, so they worked out there was no point trying to win the midfield battle, not when they could win the aerial battle with our central defenders instead. I seem to remember Cole missed the FA Cup and Ronaldo had a field day against Clichy, even though Cole had always done a great job on Ronaldo. Clichy gave him too much respect.

Even though the CL was the priority that FA Cup game may well have affected us going into the 2nd leg of the CL.

At the end of the day though it all came down to Wenger holding us back, that was the main reason we never won it. Now he can't even get us into the CL...


Don't know which Ribery you're referring to but Franck Ribery (current bayern player) has never played for either of those teams.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby KG3 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:33 pm

Özilfan wrote:
Sims wrote:Saw a Stat the other day that the common Invincibles XI only started twice together


Interesting.

Wanna talk about an underperforming Arsenal side, check this one out:

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Still have nightmares about that game. What was Wenger thinking putting Bendtner on the wing instead of Rosicky in the middle and Nasri on the right?


Benndtner didn't start in the cup final it was Rosicky, we would have won that game easy had Wenger done the logical thing and rested key players like Fabregas and Walcott against Stoke.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby starmandb » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:53 pm

Sims wrote:Saw a Stat the other day that the common Invincibles XI only started twice together

Indeed
The 4-2 win v Liverpool on the good Friday
And the final home game of 03/04 v Leicester home
It just goes to show its always the squad that wins it
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Kanu
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby UFGN » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:11 pm

For the same reason that it's so rare for a team to win back to back league titles

Once a group of people have a great achievement they feel they have "arrived" and can take their foot off the gas

There are some rare exceptions but in those cases there was not only an Alfa male and natural leader wearing the arm band, but another one in the dug out.

We had an Omega male playing Enya in the changing room and pissing about with Ashley Cole's contract renewal.
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Re: Why did the Invincibles underachieve in Europe?

Postby Ach » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:14 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45812106

Sutton sticking up for us surprisingly
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