05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Angelito » Mon May 06, 2019 10:19 am

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CrimsonGunner11 wrote:I’m concerned about the players’ mentality and our other path into the CL. The expressions on some of the players’ faces at the end of this was not a good sign.


What was the look? I was too disgusted to continue watching the aftermath. We're they bemused? Pissed off? Dejected?


Remember that infamous Gallas tantrum against Birmingham? That was pretty much the vibe I was getting from a lot of our players


I really hope this doesn't carry over to the EL game mid-week.

This is going to be a calamitous season if we don't get into the UCL.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Losmeister » Mon May 06, 2019 11:20 am

as is, whats the point of being in the UCL only to get our asses summarily kicked? particpation award?

gettin drummed out in the first KO round is embarassing, no?
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Sims » Mon May 06, 2019 11:35 am

If you want to progress as a club and get better players you need to be in the champions league for money and stature

It’s not about being spanked about it’s about improving as a football club
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Mon May 06, 2019 11:36 am

Losmeister wrote:as is, whats the point of being in the UCL only to get our asses summarily kicked? particpation award?

gettin drummed out in the first KO round is embarassing, no?


For Arsenal Football Club to be the best football club in the world. It really is that simple and playing CL football every season puts us on track to becoming that.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Phil71 » Mon May 06, 2019 12:00 pm

Sims wrote:If you want to progress as a club and get better players you need to be in the champions league for money and stature

It’s not about being spanked about it’s about improving as a football club


Yep.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby StLGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 12:14 pm

Losmeister wrote:as is, whats the point of being in the UCL only to get our asses summarily kicked? particpation award?

gettin drummed out in the first KO round is embarassing, no?



In case you haven't been paying attention we need the money, that's the point.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Losmeister » Mon May 06, 2019 12:17 pm

well, for me, i dont wanna be innit just to be innit... were miles off the mark and i dont think the extra millions in particpation will get us where we wanna be
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby StLGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 12:21 pm

Losmeister wrote:well, for me, i dont wanna be innit just to be innit... were miles off the mark and i dont think the extra millions in particpation will get us where we wanna be



Not initially, but we need as much money as we can to try to compete. That's just the unfortunate state of football.

It doesn't look like we'll ever be able to just buy our success. So we have to rely on our youth development and buying the right players at the right price at the right time, but still that money is needed or we'll fall even further behind.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Sims » Mon May 06, 2019 12:23 pm

No good players will join to play Europa leagye football unless you overpay

We can’t afford to overpay

It’s that simple

CL football is the only way to improve a football club
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Phil71 » Mon May 06, 2019 12:24 pm

Losmeister wrote:well, for me, i dont wanna be innit just to be innit... were miles off the mark and i dont think the extra millions in particpation will get us where we wanna be


I sort of understand what you mean. But if we don’t get the extra money to work with, we’ll never get there.

Participation + Money = Quality players and a greater chance of success.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby Angelito » Mon May 06, 2019 3:33 pm

Sims wrote:If you want to progress as a club and get better players you need to be in the champions league for money and stature

It’s not about being spanked about it’s about improving as a football club


It's so obvious.

We're not in it to win. We're in it to maintain our stature.

It is indeed Top-4 Trophy. Wenger was ridiculed when he said that, but he has always been right.

Another season out of the UCL would be catastrophic for us unless we manage to win the League, which we won't.
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal 1-1 Brighton | Premier League

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Mon May 06, 2019 3:47 pm

Angelito wrote:
Sims wrote:If you want to progress as a club and get better players you need to be in the champions league for money and stature

It’s not about being spanked about it’s about improving as a football club


It's so obvious.

We're not in it to win. We're in it to maintain our stature.

It is indeed Top-4 Trophy. Wenger was ridiculed when he said that, but he has always been right.

Another season out of the UCL would be catastrophic for us unless we manage to win the League, which we won't.


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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal vs Brighton | Premier League

Postby starmandb » Mon May 06, 2019 4:56 pm

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billie86 wrote:Why do we want top 4? We can't compete in in the CL, people seem to think we will somehow be better off, has the last decade not taught anybody anything? If we miss out on the CL our transfer plans and budget will be exactly the same, we are still one of the richest clubs in the world, the draw of the CL for transfers is garbage, we signed arguably our most high profile players with the prospect of Europa League football.
The board want CL football for revenue so they can pocket more money I get that but from a fans point of view what do we gain? We are Europa League level, I can guarantee that whether we finish 4th or 6th we will line up next season at the exact same level.


I dont want top 4. We dont belong in CL and its just an excuse for the club to make more money

We belong in the champions league if we quailify for it
If we don't
We don't
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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal vs Brighton | Premier League

Postby starmandb » Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm

gooney wrote:
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billie86 wrote:Why do we want top 4? We can't compete in in the CL, people seem to think we will somehow be better off, has the last decade not taught anybody anything? If we miss out on the CL our transfer plans and budget will be exactly the same, we are still one of the richest clubs in the world, the draw of the CL for transfers is garbage, we signed arguably our most high profile players with the prospect of Europa League football.
The board want CL football for revenue so they can pocket more money I get that but from a fans point of view what do we gain? We are Europa League level, I can guarantee that whether we finish 4th or 6th we will line up next season at the exact same level.


I dont want top 4. We dont belong in CL and its just an excuse for the club to make more money


What a terribly defeatist attitude.

Its true. We just want the money
CL has nothing tp do with what we will spend the summer. Anyway Chelsea wins and now either we win or tpp 4 is gone..lets see how we deal with the pressure....and if anyone think we can stop hazard in a final i want somecof the drugs they ate using

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Re: 05/05/19 | Arsenal vs Brighton | Premier League

Postby starmandb » Mon May 06, 2019 5:07 pm

Yago wrote:Xhaka, Mustafi and Lichtsteiner are the weak links. Let's see if we can overcome them. No 5atb is good, still disappointed in the overly defensive minded midfield. Playing a relegated side so should be fine. Expecting a boring win.

Brighton not relegated
Like they were in 82/83 when they drew 1-1 at 3rd placed man Utd
They drew at home with champions Liverpool that season as well
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