15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Slick » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:59 pm

I'm not going to argue red or yellow but the whole "it was a red because the player was injured" is effing hilarious. Not a good argument, Cripps.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Nejch » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:02 pm

Slick wrote:I'm not going to argue red or yellow but the whole "it was a red because the player was injured" is effing hilarious. Not a good argument, Cripps.


There has been many an example where players didn't even get booked or even a foul hasn't been given and there was still an injury to the player. Maybe we should start booking the football pitch when players fall or step awkwardly and injure themselves?
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:08 pm

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CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Hard to find videos online, but this is the best I could find:



Sending off @ 3:43

Tactical foul @ 4:41

I know which one I'd categorize Xhaka's foul under


Which one? None of them are even remotely close to Xhaka's challenge. The sending off was a blatant stomping of the player who was trying to get the ball, standing on him and stopping his momentum thus potentially seriously injuring him.

The second was basically a body check which could have ended in serious injury if the player had more momentum. Again, not comparable to Xhaka's foul.
Really don't know how you were going to make whatever point you wanted to.


Some are arguing that Xhaka's foul is a red because it stopped Swansea's attack plus the fact that it injured Barrow. The second foul in the video above stopped the opposition from attacking plus as you said "could have ended in a serious injury." Yet the key difference between Xhaka's foul and the second foul in the video is that one got sent off and the other didn't
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Slick » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:14 pm

The ref knew that 15 minutes after the fact the player wouldn't be able to continue, hence the red card for Xhaka.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Cripps » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:48 pm

Slick wrote:The ref knew that 15 minutes after the fact the player wouldn't be able to continue, hence the red card for Xhaka.

Who has ever said that?
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Zedie » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:32 pm

Nejch wrote:
Pudpop wrote:
Nejch wrote:
gooney wrote:In general we defend well, you cant do anything about the first goal and the second was just very good play by Barrow

The second was a shocker from our CBs. They just froze while all Barrow did was take a step back and finish.

Yes second goal was very problematic because neither CB even considered marking their lone striker who was on the pen spot.

My initial thought was that it was indicative of their inexperience playing together, hopefully that's how it turns out?


Yup it's probably miscommunication. They both thought the other one was going to cover the striker but none of them did. I reckon the two of them are just getting used to playing together.


I agree with all of the above. You could see straight after, both of them looked at eachother like "I thought you were dropping back". All in all, id say Mustafi should have closed the player as he could see what was forming.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Santi » Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:37 pm

what a f***ing game lads, my heart was pounding each time they had those 3 headers. Ref almost ruined it but in the end we got the 3 points and he made for a great atmosphere.

not a bad first game of the season, we played some lovely stuff at times and king Cazorla was a beast again <3 Not sure why he's getting bad ratings, his passing is so much quicker than everyone else and he was fighting hard for most of the game. Few sloppy passes but that was the case for every attacker we had today.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:37 pm

Was at work, seems a good win considering we were down to 10.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby ThisIsNotAnID » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:49 pm

I think the miscommunication for the second goal was between Mustafi and Xhaka rather than Mustafi and Koscielny. Mustafi sees Xhaka closing in on the goalscorer so drops deeper thinking Xhaka has it covered. However, Xhaka realizes the amount of space Swansea players had on the edge of our 18 and tries to cover the area without telling Mustafi to mark the goalscorer. It's just a colossal miscommunication and these are the simple errors we need to cut out of our game in a league as competitive as this. Here is the goal: https://my.mixtape.moe/cpzkog.mp4

It should also be noted that Cazorla would be covering the edge of our 18 but had to go wide because Iwobi was late in supporting Monreal.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby yadunoe » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:54 pm

Great win second grind win in a row good stuff by us honestly every foul is mostly and opinion some refs would give that as yellow maybe from his angle it looked like a red . We need these wins to grind out results.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Nejch » Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:59 pm

ThisIsNotAnID wrote:I think the miscommunication for the second goal was between Mustafi and Xhaka rather than Mustafi and Koscielny. Mustafi sees Xhaka closing in on the goalscorer so drops deeper thinking Xhaka has it covered. However, Xhaka realizes the amount of space Swansea players had on the edge of our 18 and tries to cover the area without telling Mustafi to mark the goalscorer. It's just a colossal miscommunication and these are the simple errors we need to cut out of our game in a league as competitive as this. Here is the goal: https://my.mixtape.moe/cpzkog.mp4

It should also be noted that Cazorla would be covering the edge of our 18 but had to go wide because Iwobi was late in supporting Monreal.


Yes, Xhaka played a role in that definitely, but it's apparent that he was trying to cover the edge of our 18, seeing how there are 3 players there unmarked. I hope that our manager saw that and will try to sort these kind of situations out, but given that he seems to never learn anything we have to rely on the players to work on their communication themselves.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Santi » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:04 pm

it's just Mustafi ball watching and being flat footed, simple mistake and just cost us a goal. You can see when it goes in even he knows he f***ked up and he doesn't blame anyone else, it's fine these things happen and it didn't cost us any points, he seems like the type to learn from his mistakes.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Royal Gooner » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:46 pm

We beat those foreigners, that's all that matters.
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby Pudpop » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:44 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:We beat those foreigners, that's all that matters.

Lol we had one English player in the first 11

Pretty sure they had more
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Re: 15/10/2016 | Arsenal 3-2 Swansea City | Premier League

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:04 pm

There is no way that Xhaka's challenge should have resulted in a red card. It was a trip and a professional foul, but it did not stop a goal scoring opportunity. Those types of fouls are annoying for the opposition but they almost exclusively result in a yellow card only. Refs. simply have an eye on certain players with reputations - and notice it happens A LOT with Arsenal's new signings.
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