Sunday 17th July 00:00
M&T Bank Stadium
Maryland, USA
by Angelito » Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:53 pm
by CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:22 pm
Arsenal’s squad for the 2022 USA tour:
Goalkeepers: Ramsdale, Leno, Turner, Okonkwo, Runarsson.
Defenders: Tierney, Tavares, Gabriel, Mari, White, Holding, Saliba, Bellerín, Cedric, Tomiyasu, Walters.
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Arsenal’s squad for the 2022 USA tour:
Midfielders: Elneny, Torreira, Partey, Smith Rowe, Lokonga, Xhaka, Ødegaard, Maitland-Niles, Vieira, Nelson.
Forwards: Martinelli, Nketiah, Jesus, Pepe, Saka, Balogun, Marquinhos.
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by Arsenal Tone » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:59 pm
by Power n Glory » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:09 pm
by UFGN » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:24 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
by CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:08 pm
Arsenal Tone wrote:I want to see a Gabriel-Saliba partnership at the back!
Power n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
by Reiss » Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:07 pm
by Power n Glory » Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:02 pm
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Arsenal Tone wrote:I want to see a Gabriel-Saliba partnership at the back!
I actually had that initially but decided to change it because I don’t think Arteta believes that Saliba is better than WhitePower n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
Two attacking 8s would be interesting to see and I would bet would work in this game. But as a permanent solution going forward I can’t see it working because I can’t see the two 8s helping out Partey in Arteta’s Arsenal which means Partey will need to do a lot of work in that midfield which means Partey, considering his injury record with us, will most likely get injured sooner.
For a two 8 formation to work during the season, we’d need, imo, a more reliable player than Partey in terms of fitness or two 8s who work hard and won’t leave the midfield exposed
by CrimsonGunner11 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:29 pm
Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Arsenal Tone wrote:I want to see a Gabriel-Saliba partnership at the back!
I actually had that initially but decided to change it because I don’t think Arteta believes that Saliba is better than WhitePower n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
Two attacking 8s would be interesting to see and I would bet would work in this game. But as a permanent solution going forward I can’t see it working because I can’t see the two 8s helping out Partey in Arteta’s Arsenal which means Partey will need to do a lot of work in that midfield which means Partey, considering his injury record with us, will most likely get injured sooner.
For a two 8 formation to work during the season, we’d need, imo, a more reliable player than Partey in terms of fitness or two 8s who work hard and won’t leave the midfield exposed
No system will work for all games and we'll definitely need a Plan B but our Plan A needs to be more attack minded and possession dominant. With better technical players that can keep possession it means less work for Partey in terms of defending. If we decide to try a double pivot again with Partey next to Xhaka, Lokonga or Elneny, the players that are more hesitant on the ball, it leads to more losses of possession and heavy running.
by Power n Glory » Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:54 pm
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Arsenal Tone wrote:I want to see a Gabriel-Saliba partnership at the back!
I actually had that initially but decided to change it because I don’t think Arteta believes that Saliba is better than WhitePower n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
Two attacking 8s would be interesting to see and I would bet would work in this game. But as a permanent solution going forward I can’t see it working because I can’t see the two 8s helping out Partey in Arteta’s Arsenal which means Partey will need to do a lot of work in that midfield which means Partey, considering his injury record with us, will most likely get injured sooner.
For a two 8 formation to work during the season, we’d need, imo, a more reliable player than Partey in terms of fitness or two 8s who work hard and won’t leave the midfield exposed
No system will work for all games and we'll definitely need a Plan B but our Plan A needs to be more attack minded and possession dominant. With better technical players that can keep possession it means less work for Partey in terms of defending. If we decide to try a double pivot again with Partey next to Xhaka, Lokonga or Elneny, the players that are more hesitant on the ball, it leads to more losses of possession and heavy running.
Agree with all that but in the former case I don’t believe we have the right players to play possession football, in a two 8 formation the way we all want to see it played. I don’t think the likes of ESR and Vieira are capable but I’d be happy for them to prove me wrong. In the latter case, we are at least more secure in the midfield just as long as we get that central midfield signing that most of us has been stressing about.
by CrimsonGunner11 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:47 pm
Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Arsenal Tone wrote:I want to see a Gabriel-Saliba partnership at the back!
I actually had that initially but decided to change it because I don’t think Arteta believes that Saliba is better than WhitePower n Glory wrote:Would like to see a 4-3-3.
-----------------Ramsdale------------
Tomiyasu--Saliba--Gabriel--Tierney
----ESR----Partey---Vieira----
Saka-----------Jesus-------Martinelli
I want to see how we cope with a more technical and quick side even if light on defence. These are the conditions to see if two attacking 8s can work.
Two attacking 8s would be interesting to see and I would bet would work in this game. But as a permanent solution going forward I can’t see it working because I can’t see the two 8s helping out Partey in Arteta’s Arsenal which means Partey will need to do a lot of work in that midfield which means Partey, considering his injury record with us, will most likely get injured sooner.
For a two 8 formation to work during the season, we’d need, imo, a more reliable player than Partey in terms of fitness or two 8s who work hard and won’t leave the midfield exposed
No system will work for all games and we'll definitely need a Plan B but our Plan A needs to be more attack minded and possession dominant. With better technical players that can keep possession it means less work for Partey in terms of defending. If we decide to try a double pivot again with Partey next to Xhaka, Lokonga or Elneny, the players that are more hesitant on the ball, it leads to more losses of possession and heavy running.
Agree with all that but in the former case I don’t believe we have the right players to play possession football, in a two 8 formation the way we all want to see it played. I don’t think the likes of ESR and Vieira are capable but I’d be happy for them to prove me wrong. In the latter case, we are at least more secure in the midfield just as long as we get that central midfield signing that most of us has been stressing about.
Because we haven't signed that central midfielder and I'm looking at what we have. I think we've seen our limitations with a double pivot of Partey with Xhaka, Elneny or even Lokonga and Odegaard as the attacking mid. Nonw of them are as capable on the ball, protecting and passing forward as ESR and Vieria. Partey is already getting stretched and injured because of the extra work he has to put in to compensate for a weak midfield. If we play on playing Vieira to Partey in a double pivot then it might as well be a 4-3-3 anyway because he's not going add any defensive stability in terms of physical presence.
by Power n Glory » Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:17 am
by DiamondGooner » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:02 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Agreed. The CM role is crucial and needs a massive change. Be it a new player or system change. Not sure which we'll do but I believe we played a 3-4-3 in the second half of our friendly. Worth noting our preseason set ups. If we go with a 3atb formation that could change what we need in terms of transfers.
by #ST » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:44 am
by #ST » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:47 am