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greengoonerie wrote:

strayagooner wrote:Not sure why people are having a moan, we had nothing to lose..

Other than self respect?

I suppose it depends on whether you were an Arsenal fan just ten years ago, when we had a team which competed against Barcelona in the CL final, beat Real, and pretty much beat anyone coming out of Germany or Italy annually.

Now move to the last 5 years - 1st leg hammerings in the round of 16 and a CL exit in order to concentrate on.......wait for it....4th place in the EPL.

Players have changed in that time - but the manager hasn't.

Anyone on here who is having a moan, is doing so because Arsenal are going BACKWARDS in terms of football.

Arsene and the PLC can spin it any way they want and if idiots want to buy into that spin, well it's like gobshi**s who vote for lying politicians time after time - those kind of people won't listen to facts.

Arsenal fans who remember the team from 10 years ago can't get their heads around the fact that in the last ten years:

1. Arsenal now have much more money to buy world class players than 10 years ago, but choose not to
2. Arsenals manager persists with players who are patently past it - Arteta, Merts, Flamini as 3 examples
3. Arsenals manager persists with players who are not good enough at top level - Giroud, Ox, Kocielny as 3 examples
4. Arsenals manager persists in overplaying/bringing back from injury too early the world class player we have - Sanchez for instance.
5. Our other world class player - Ozil - is incapable of showing any kind of leadership on the pitch

10 years ago, we had a TEAM, a SQUAD of hard working, committed and (in some cases) world class players. NOBODY fkd with that team. NOBODY. They operated on a "One for all" basis every time they went on the pitch - from Looney Lehmann to TH14 - you messed with them at your peril.

Now? Seriously.................Cech stands alone at the back, possibly Alexis up front as players who look like they give a bo**ix. The rest of them shrug their shoulders and look for someone else to blame when (not if) it goes tits up.

that's what absolutely frustrates the hell out of me - our manager has allowed his own standards to slide into mediocrity and as a result the players echo that drop in standards.

Myrmedus wrote:But I'm not sure I agree with a bollocking.

Don't get me wrong, both goals were our own fault, but ultimately we're just a class below Barca. The buck sits with Wenger and possibly even higher up in the club's hierarchy as to why we're not aspiring to that level.

Myrmedus wrote:But I'm not sure I agree with a bollocking.

Don't get me wrong, both goals were our own fault, but ultimately we're just a class below Barca. The buck sits with Wenger and possibly even higher up in the club's hierarchy as to why we're not aspiring to that level.

GoonerAlexis wrote:

Myrmedus wrote:But I'm not sure I agree with a bollocking.

Don't get me wrong, both goals were our own fault, but ultimately we're just a class below Barca. The buck sits with Wenger and possibly even higher up in the club's hierarchy as to why we're not aspiring to that level.

The part about ambition is spot on.

That said, before our idiotic adventure just before we conceded, we had kept Barcelona at arm's length and created chances. For once, the tactics were spot on. For once, we were doing well and being disciplined. Suddenly, we lose our discipline and we're two down. He had every right to have a go, I'd be more angry if he didn't. This loss is down to the players, even if the club should have better quality in the team. Had we shown some composure, and stayed disciplined, this should have been nicked 1-0.

dolan wrote:

Myrmedus wrote:But I'm not sure I agree with a bollocking.

Don't get me wrong, both goals were our own fault, but ultimately we're just a class below Barca. The buck sits with Wenger and possibly even higher up in the club's hierarchy as to why we're not aspiring to that level.

SAF would have gone mental on Flamini after the game. Some players deserve it.

GoonerAlexis wrote:Great news, guys, I played this on FM and lost 2-0, and then won 4-0 at their place. We then won the TREBLE! TREBLE IS ON, LADS!