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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Angelito » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:07 am

We don't want a hole up play expert up top. We want a consistent goal scorer who can score goals like Higuain did despite being surrounded by defenders last night. Aguero and Suarez aren't the best in the League because of their hold up expertise but their goal scoring prowess.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby gooney » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:10 am

Angelito wrote:We don't want a hole up play expert up top. We want a consistent goal scorer who can score goals like Higuain did despite being surrounded by defenders last night. Aguero and Suarez aren't the best in the League because of their hold up expertise but their goal scoring prowess.

Yep I cant believe the people here tried to convince themselves Higuain is average and we may as well have Giroud. Guys has 4 goals in 5 games. Same group Giroud has 2 in 6 games
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:14 am

Ramsey definitely wouldn't have 15 goals without Giroud. The problem Giroud has is he has no on running in behind him most of the time, and we rarely ever cross the ball.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:15 am

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Angelito wrote:We don't want a hole up play expert up top. We want a consistent goal scorer who can score goals like Higuain did despite being surrounded by defenders last night. Aguero and Suarez aren't the best in the League because of their hold up expertise but their goal scoring prowess.

Yep I cant believe the people here tried to convince themselves Higuain is average and we may as well have Giroud. Guys has 4 goals in 5 games. Same group Giroud has 2 in 6 games


He's not average but he's sure as hell not worth £35million
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Angelito » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:18 am

35 million wouldn't matter for shit if we won the League with that. We overpaid for Ozil too but that doesn't matter because we're at the top. And if we spend 25 million on f'kin Lewnadowski in January, with 6 months remaining, it wouldn't matter if we won the title come May.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Trina » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:24 am

Whats this about?

Arsenal Football Club has released the following statement:

"We are aware of the problems our travelling supporters had on Wednesday night and in particular their late arrival at the game. We are very disappointed for our fans that they had a difficult evening but the circumstances were beyond our control. We have launched an investigation to work out precisely what happened."


http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... -in-napoli
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:25 am

Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Angelito » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:33 am

alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.


What an outlandish thing to say--the first line. Let's just blabber now, right?
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Schlandi » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:33 am

greengoonerie wrote: Mert stood off Higuain for the first, allowing him to turn and shoot - good shot, good finish, but Mert was to blame - nothing Szec could do once the shot had been struck.

The second goal was Jenkinson being caught out of position - clever ball through and a very nice finish over Szec head -


The 1:0 was a great goal from Napoli dunno if you should blame anyone for it.
The only thing I seriously don't understand is why Szec did leave the line.
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Before the 2nd goal Jenkinson didn't do much wrong, here I would "blame" Mertesacker and Özil cause both let Higuain unguarded run into position but at least Özil tracked back here once. This is a rarity so maybe he was too unexperienced to deal with the situation :biggrin:
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby gooney » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:37 am

alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.

Are you gonna give him 5 million signing on fee as well? You do know the reason why he will be free is a player of his class as a free agent is very rare and he will make crazy money together with his agent. You can offer Dortmund 50 million if you want. Its not up to them. No player at his level will leave a club when he can be free in 6 months
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby greengoonerie » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:44 am

SchlandGooner wrote:
greengoonerie wrote: Mert stood off Higuain for the first, allowing him to turn and shoot - good shot, good finish, but Mert was to blame - nothing Szec could do once the shot had been struck.

The second goal was Jenkinson being caught out of position - clever ball through and a very nice finish over Szec head -


The 1:0 was a great goal from Napoli dunno if you should blame anyone for it.
The only thing I seriously don't understand is why Szec did leave the line.

Before the 2nd goal Jenkinson didn't do much wrong, here I would "blame" Mertesacker and Özil cause both let Higuain unguarded run into position but at least Özil tracked back here once. This is a rarity so maybe he was too unexperienced to deal with the situation :biggrin:

Hi Schland

Thanks for posting the GIF which confirms that Mert was too slow to close down Higgy IMO!

Keepers in general tend to stay off their line for numerous reasons
a. to be able to narrow angles for strikers by being nearer the ball
b. to cut out dinky little through balls
c. because keepers are hyperactive headcases and can't stay still for more than about 2 seconds

Again, IMO, if Szec had stayed on his line the ball would have been further away from him by the time it reached the goal line. I still think the finish was great but that Mert didn't get tight on Higgy when teh ball reached him. Just my obs is all!

Second goal - came down Jenks side, ball went inside him IIRC.

as for Strikers.

If last night proved anything its that we need Podolksi back sooner rather than later
AND
we need a world class striker.

Giroud DID hae a clear cut opportunity in the first half and hit the keeper with a shot when put through one on one. Therein lies the difference between an average striker (Giroud) and a world class striker (Higuain)

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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Angelito » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:05 am

gooney wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.

Are you gonna give him 5 million signing on fee as well? You do know the reason why he will be free is a player of his class as a free agent is very rare and he will make crazy money together with his agent. You can offer Dortmund 50 million if you want. Its not up to them. No player at his level will leave a club when he can be free in 6 months


That wasn't the original point.

The thing is that we could win the PL and it would make Ozil's 42 million fee a bargain. The benefits of such an investment is much more than meets the naked eye. If we spend 25 million in January, that would take our net spending to 55 million for the season, if I'm not mistaken. Still less than any other big team around, but with a gigantic PL trophy in our hands.

Money matters but not to the extent that we set targets like getting past the group stages of the CL and finishing in the top-4 every season.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:05 am

gooney wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.

Are you gonna give him 5 million signing on fee as well? You do know the reason why he will be free is a player of his class as a free agent is very rare and he will make crazy money together with his agent. You can offer Dortmund 50 million if you want. Its not up to them. No player at his level will leave a club when he can be free in 6 months


That really doesn't make sense. If he leaves for free at the end of the season then no club has to pay his transfer fee. I'm pretty sure his signing on fee will be no where near £25million...
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby alexafc12 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:10 am

Angelito wrote:
gooney wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.

Are you gonna give him 5 million signing on fee as well? You do know the reason why he will be free is a player of his class as a free agent is very rare and he will make crazy money together with his agent. You can offer Dortmund 50 million if you want. Its not up to them. No player at his level will leave a club when he can be free in 6 months


That wasn't the original point.

The thing is that we could win the PL and it would make Ozil's 42 million fee a bargain. The benefits of such an investment is much more than meets the naked eye. If we spend 25 million in January, that would take our net spending to 55 million for the season, if I'm not mistaken. Still less than any other big team around, but with a gigantic PL trophy in our hands.

Money matters but not to the extent that we set targets like getting past the group stages of the CL and finishing in the top-4 every season.



This isn't Fifa Career mode you can't just spend massive amounts of money and face no competition from other teams. Napoli had a crazy amount of money and would have done anything to sign Higuain the price would have ended up around +40m if we'd tried to start a bidding war.
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Re: Napoli 2-0 Arsenal | Champions League 11/12/13

Postby Angelito » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:20 am

alexafc12 wrote:
Angelito wrote:
gooney wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Easy to say when it's not your money. Might aswell offer £30million for Coleman too. f**k it Yolo.

Anyway the Higuain saga is irelevant because we went for Suarez instead.

Lewandoski however, yes £25m even with 6 months left he's worth it, he's much more complete than Higuain.

Are you gonna give him 5 million signing on fee as well? You do know the reason why he will be free is a player of his class as a free agent is very rare and he will make crazy money together with his agent. You can offer Dortmund 50 million if you want. Its not up to them. No player at his level will leave a club when he can be free in 6 months


That wasn't the original point.

The thing is that we could win the PL and it would make Ozil's 42 million fee a bargain. The benefits of such an investment is much more than meets the naked eye. If we spend 25 million in January, that would take our net spending to 55 million for the season, if I'm not mistaken. Still less than any other big team around, but with a gigantic PL trophy in our hands.

Money matters but not to the extent that we set targets like getting past the group stages of the CL and finishing in the top-4 every season.



This isn't Fifa Career mode you can't just spend massive amounts of money and face no competition from other teams. Napoli had a crazy amount of money and would have done anything to sign Higuain the price would have ended up around +40m if we'd tried to start a bidding war.


Dude, that's not what I'm saying. I understand the Higuain situation very well. Also, we went for Suarez opting out against Higuain before Napoli came in. But that's that.

My point is about spending money, in principle. Teams won't regret spending money as long as it's done within a reasonable scale. It doesn't mean spending money recklessly nor does it mean fearing to go over 15 million. If we buy a striker for 25 million in Jan, we would be in pole position to win the League as opposed to regretting it later. It is another thing whether a striker would be available in January or not. That's beyond our control and precisely, why the summer was hot.

To be hopeful, the best situation now looks to be Podolski's return. The best we could hope for is Podolski returning and firing us. But how realistic is that?
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