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Postby Zedie » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:49 am

@bearcum

Got to disagree. Yes ozil put that goal chance on a plate, but there are still loads of ways to f**k that shot up or see it saved. He didnt hit it with that power, maybe the keeper saves it, he doesnt make a solid connection, it might just roll to the gk.

The shot had to be struck that hard and was, it was far from a tap in opportunity and it was executed exactly how it needed to be.

going across goal was difficult, taking a touch would have invited pressure from keeper and defender.

The goal was quality and im sure quite a few players in the prem could have f***ked it up, defo flamini included on another day!
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:16 pm

RE: Podolski

He can EASILY play as a striker. I don't get where people developed this concept. He played as a striker before and because of Klose and German NT's strength, Low moved him wide because he was 'undroppable.'

Re: Aguero

Comparing Aguero to Giroud? Let's conviniently ignore how Aguero went through a divorce with his wife last season, had injuries throughout, whilst the entire City team were shambolic? Yeah...

Re: Giroud

Giroud is good but we do need better. If we can get somebody who can score goals out of nowhere, we'd be fine. Right now Giroud is all we have, so let's hope he stays up and scores. When was the last time Giroud scored a goal from outside the box, btw? Starman?
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:19 pm

Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:24 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


SchlandGooner or Starman can bring the stats because I'm not interested right now, but he played 4-5 games as a striker last season. The first was his very first Arsenal game and the remaining when Giroud was suspended. I remember he scored 2 or 3 goals. That's not "lost" really. Giroud played 30/31 games as a striker last season and scored the same amount of goals as Podolski did (both scored 11 in the Prem and Poldi played nearly half the time Giroud did).

In the CL, Podolski scored 4, while Giroud scored 2. In fact, Podolski scored more goals than van Persie in the CL. Podolski is fine as a striker. Walcott is better as a winger.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:44 pm

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GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


SchlandGooner or Starman can bring the stats because I'm not interested right now, but he played 4-5 games as a striker last season. The first was his very first Arsenal game and the remaining when Giroud was suspended. I remember he scored 2 or 3 goals. That's not "lost" really. Giroud played 30/31 games as a striker last season and scored the same amount of goals as Podolski did (both scored 11 in the Prem and Poldi played nearly half the time Giroud did).

In the CL, Podolski scored 4, while Giroud scored 2. In fact, Podolski scored more goals than van Persie in the CL. Podolski is fine as a striker. Walcott is better as a winger.

He's a goalscorer sure but if you think goals equate to being a good striker, Theo scored more.
It may have been 4/5 games but he really did look lost, he didn't make any great movement and isolated himself. I'm sure he scored half his goals when playing upfront through setpieces too.
They're both best out wide but I don't think Poldi could do a good job upfront as you think.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:59 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


What a load of bollocks.

He practically scored every game as a striker, how is that being lost? its the same with Theo, people are like "He can't play as a central striker!" what are you smoking? just because he's not a lamp post, that didn't stop him from destroying Newcastle and scoring almost every game.

Podolski having hardly played as striker for Arsenal would need some adjustment just the same way RVP did when converting however even while he was trying to find his feet he was STILL scoring goals.

Giroud's been playing up front non stop and Walcott and Podolski both equaled his average goals per games played as striker with literally no practice playing in that position.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:09 pm

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GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


What a load of bollocks.

He practically scored every game as a striker, how is that being lost? its the same with Theo, people are like "He can't play as a central striker!" what are you smoking? just because he's not a lamp post, that didn't stop him from destroying Newcastle and scoring almost every game.

Podolski having hardly played as striker for Arsenal would need some adjustment just the same way RVP did when converting however even while he was trying to find his feet he was STILL scoring goals.

Giroud's been playing up front non stop and Walcott and Podolski both equaled his average goals per games played as striker with literally no practice playing in that position.

Angelito was arguing he is a natural striker, your arguing he needs to be trained into the position.

Poldis performances upfront from the top of my head.
Sunderland (H). He looked lost.
Bayern (H). Scored from a setpiece
United (H). Don't think he touched the ball he was that lost
Wigan (H). Scored from a setpiece and his second was a lob IIRC.
QPR (A). See Sunderland and United.

Nothing in his game suggests he'd do well upfront except for his finishing. He goes quiet too often, even when Giroud isn't playing well atleast he gets involved.

Not sure what the stuff in bold is about, never said anything about Theo.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby Schlandi » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:14 pm

It's mostly a repost but anyways..

Theo played more minutes and Podolski had the best conversion rate last season.
I'm not in the mood to post his accurate stats once again but if I remember correctly he scored 2 goals (header after corner and a lob over the keeper) which resulted in roughly ~180min per goal in his few apperances as striker and he made the assist (header) to the 0:1 win against Newcastle.

And I seriously dunno where this rumour came from he don't have a good movement.
He mostly moves according to his orders f.e. Löw wanted him to make the game wide so he played at the sideline after WC 2010. And if you remember last season Gibbs made a lot of crosses because Podolski made the space for him so he was able to overrun Podolski and bring in a cross without being treated by an opposing player. Podolski also played more than once together with Carzola and a 3rd Arsenal player (often Giroud) a beautiful triangle into the box.

Massa lately alleged he is a striker who can't play with the back to the goal and class strikers like Aguero (who are also seen as such kind of striker) would switch to the wings to compensate that. Ok, let's have a look of course Podolski also has to adapt to the "new" role as single forward for Arsenal (maybe his first apperances were not really good) but have a look at it compared to Aguero.
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Here are two matches from his last season at Köln were he had to play as a single striker cause the other Köln striker (Novakovic) was not available
Kicker rating (1=best rating .. 6=worst)
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/2011-12/9/1143365/taktische-austellung_1-fc-koeln-16_hannover-96-58.html

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/1-bundesliga/2011-12/11/1143383/taktische-austellung_1-fc-koeln-16_fc-augsburg-91.html

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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:25 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


What a load of bollocks.

He practically scored every game as a striker, how is that being lost? its the same with Theo, people are like "He can't play as a central striker!" what are you smoking? just because he's not a lamp post, that didn't stop him from destroying Newcastle and scoring almost every game.

Podolski having hardly played as striker for Arsenal would need some adjustment just the same way RVP did when converting however even while he was trying to find his feet he was STILL scoring goals.

Giroud's been playing up front non stop and Walcott and Podolski both equaled his average goals per games played as striker with literally no practice playing in that position.

Angelito was arguing he is a natural striker, your arguing he needs to be trained into the position.

Poldis performances upfront from the top of my head.
Sunderland (H). He looked lost.
Bayern (H). Scored from a setpiece
United (H). Don't think he touched the ball he was that lost
Wigan (H). Scored from a setpiece and his second was a lob IIRC.
QPR (A). See Sunderland and United.

Nothing in his game suggests he'd do well upfront except for his finishing. He goes quiet too often, even when Giroud isn't playing well atleast he gets involved.

Not sure what the stuff in bold is about, never said anything about Theo.


Your forgetting quite a few then, I can't remember the games off hand but it was when Giroud was on a 3 match ban and Pod stood in, he scored almost every game.

"Podolski then scored twice in a 4–1 victory over Wigan Athletic" - As striker
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:31 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


What a load of bollocks.

He practically scored every game as a striker, how is that being lost? its the same with Theo, people are like "He can't play as a central striker!" what are you smoking? just because he's not a lamp post, that didn't stop him from destroying Newcastle and scoring almost every game.

Podolski having hardly played as striker for Arsenal would need some adjustment just the same way RVP did when converting however even while he was trying to find his feet he was STILL scoring goals.

Giroud's been playing up front non stop and Walcott and Podolski both equaled his average goals per games played as striker with literally no practice playing in that position.

Angelito was arguing he is a natural striker, your arguing he needs to be trained into the position.

Poldis performances upfront from the top of my head.
Sunderland (H). He looked lost.
Bayern (H). Scored from a setpiece
United (H). Don't think he touched the ball he was that lost
Wigan (H). Scored from a setpiece and his second was a lob IIRC.
QPR (A). See Sunderland and United.

Nothing in his game suggests he'd do well upfront except for his finishing. He goes quiet too often, even when Giroud isn't playing well atleast he gets involved.

Not sure what the stuff in bold is about, never said anything about Theo.


Your forgetting quite a few then, I can't remember the games off hand but it was when Giroud was on a 3 match ban and Pod stood in, he scored almost every game.

"Podolski then scored twice in a 4–1 victory over Wigan Athletic" - As striker

I've mentioned those games, United, Wigan, QPR :dontknow:
Scored 2 against Wigan (one as a setpiece) and was lost in the other 2.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:51 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:
Angelito wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


SchlandGooner or Starman can bring the stats because I'm not interested right now, but he played 4-5 games as a striker last season. The first was his very first Arsenal game and the remaining when Giroud was suspended. I remember he scored 2 or 3 goals. That's not "lost" really. Giroud played 30/31 games as a striker last season and scored the same amount of goals as Podolski did (both scored 11 in the Prem and Poldi played nearly half the time Giroud did).

In the CL, Podolski scored 4, while Giroud scored 2. In fact, Podolski scored more goals than van Persie in the CL. Podolski is fine as a striker. Walcott is better as a winger.

He's a goalscorer sure but if you think goals equate to being a good striker, Theo scored more.
It may have been 4/5 games but he really did look lost, he didn't make any great movement and isolated himself. I'm sure he scored half his goals when playing upfront through setpieces too.
They're both best out wide but I don't think Poldi could do a good job upfront as you think.


Giroud looks lost half the time he plays as a striker. Just because he jumps a lot really doesn't suggest otherwise. Sometimes he can't even shoot properly. But these things happen. My point isn't that Podolski is a striker at the level of Suarez/Aguero, but that he would be equally as beneficial as Giroud, if not more. If we had Lewan, yes, there would be no case--but it's unfair to say that Podolski looked lost when Giroud does the same many times, but since he plays so many games--people just tend to forget that. And, if a striker scores goals, it really doesn't matter if he's invisible. Watched van Persie against us? He was tepid and scored a goal...

On Theo, I didn't say he cannot play ST at all. He's a better winger than a striker and I can't understand where this Walcott vs. Podolski debate comes from. Walcott has never played as a ST in his life in top flight football, if we ignore his stint last season. Podolski has played as a striker for Germany and Koln. Last season, he scored goals too despite not getting many games/playing time as a striker.

It's too early to give a verdict. With Ozil, Rosicky, Cazorla, Ramsey, Walcott, and Wilshere supporting Podolski, I doubt he'd have trouble scoring goals, or creating trouble for the opposition. His finishing is as good as van Persie and he drops deep many times. The whole concept about Podolski not playing with his back to the goal is half-baked. He's not a striker like Ibra or Falcao. He's more in the mold of van Persie, Tevez, Aguero, etc. Not at their level but Podolski at his best is as good a forward as you'd find.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:00 pm

Angelito wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:
Angelito wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:Podolski was worse than Theo upfront last season. He looked lost.


SchlandGooner or Starman can bring the stats because I'm not interested right now, but he played 4-5 games as a striker last season. The first was his very first Arsenal game and the remaining when Giroud was suspended. I remember he scored 2 or 3 goals. That's not "lost" really. Giroud played 30/31 games as a striker last season and scored the same amount of goals as Podolski did (both scored 11 in the Prem and Poldi played nearly half the time Giroud did).

In the CL, Podolski scored 4, while Giroud scored 2. In fact, Podolski scored more goals than van Persie in the CL. Podolski is fine as a striker. Walcott is better as a winger.

He's a goalscorer sure but if you think goals equate to being a good striker, Theo scored more.
It may have been 4/5 games but he really did look lost, he didn't make any great movement and isolated himself. I'm sure he scored half his goals when playing upfront through setpieces too.
They're both best out wide but I don't think Poldi could do a good job upfront as you think.


Giroud looks lost half the time he plays as a striker. Just because he jumps a lot really doesn't suggest otherwise. Sometimes he can't even shoot properly. But these things happen. My point isn't that Podolski is a striker at the level of Suarez/Aguero, but that he would be equally as beneficial as Giroud, if not more. If we had Lewan, yes, there would be no case--but it's unfair to say that Podolski looked lost when Giroud does the same many times, but since he plays so many games--people just tend to forget that. And, if a striker scores goals, it really doesn't matter if he's invisible. Watched van Persie against us? He was tepid and scored a goal...

On Theo, I didn't say he cannot play ST at all. He's a better winger than a striker and I can't understand where this Walcott vs. Podolski debate comes from. Walcott has never played as a ST in his life in top flight football, if we ignore his stint last season. Podolski has played as a striker for Germany and Koln. Last season, he scored goals too despite not getting many games/playing time as a striker.

It's too early to give a verdict. With Ozil, Rosicky, Cazorla, Ramsey, Walcott, and Wilshere supporting Podolski, I doubt he'd have trouble scoring goals, or creating trouble for the opposition. His finishing is as good as van Persie and he drops deep many times. The whole concept about Podolski not playing with his back to the goal is half-baked. He's not a striker like Ibra or Falcao. He's more in the mold of van Persie, Tevez, Aguero, etc. Not at their level but Podolski at his best is as good a forward as you'd find.

I think Poldi would be a poacher if we were to play him upfront, he doesn't really excel at interplay and he wouldn't be able to hold it up like Giroud. He never dropped deep at all when upfront last season. His first touch will kill many of our attacks aswell.I'd only have him upfront as a last resort, I'd rather buy a backup to Giroud like a Pato for example.

I've never seen Poldi play upfront before he came here so I can't judge him on anything but arsenal games which he looked very uncomfortable upfront. No way is his finishing on par with RVP either, he mainly smashes the ball and can only use his left, RVP has perfect technique and can finish with both feet.

It might be too early to give a verdict but based on what I've seen so far I'd be hesitant to give him more games upfront.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby Massa » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:35 pm

Agree with GSK. Poldi also started vs Newcastle upfront. Barely did anything before getting subbed off
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:22 pm

GSK_AFC wrote:I think Poldi would be a poacher if we were to play him upfront, he doesn't really excel at interplay.


Podolski and Cazorla had the best interplay in the team when they were playing together regularly, also don't forget how Pod won us the Fulham game? before he got injured with a great strike.

People under estimate Pod to easily considering he's not even had long stints in the team.
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Re: Cardiff 0-3 Arsenal | Premier League 30/11/13

Postby GSK_AFC » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:26 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
GSK_AFC wrote:I think Poldi would be a poacher if we were to play him upfront, he doesn't really excel at interplay.


Podolski and Cazorla had the best interplay in the team when they were playing together regularly, also don't forget how Pod won us the Fulham game? before he got injured with a great strike.

People under estimate Pod to easily considering he's not even had long stints in the team.

The only time I can think of good interplay is from Liverpool (A) last year.
I rate Podolski but only as an outlet on the left not upfront.
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