Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Ramsey is on track to become the next Walcott. No matter what he does he will always be a limited player. Walcott did not win manage to win over a section of fans despite scoring and assisting the most last season so i can see where this is going with Ramsey. Had Ramsey been playing for another club the the same people slagging him would be calling him phenomenal. Ramsey is not a finished product by any standards but the kind of IMPROVEMENT he has shown in his passing/tackling/dribbling/shooting/energy is something i haven't seen in any premier league player in recent times. After his horrific leg break he has shown that when you put your mind to something you can achieve anything.
Walcott is "limited" in term of his footballing attributes
Ramsey is not not.
LOL i would be happy if you were consistent at-least. You defend Giroud [ i am not one of his haters although i think we need better and different] and literally pounce on anybody the moment somebody makes a comment about him being pretty limited which is a fact and say Walcott is limited when he comfortable out-scored and out-assisted Giroud despite not playing centrally. This is why i say one need to apply the same standards to judge players.
When people reffer to Walcott being limited thats what they are talking about, his range and set of attributes.
Iv yet to see people fans and haters alike refer to Ramsey as being limited, he has a lot of criticism but thats not something that bought up and he wont "always be branded a limited player".
Walcott could be the the greatest Wing in the world and the limited tag would still apply, Its not a comment on form, efficiency,team value its a comment on his set of attributes.
When you talk about the likes of Messi and Ronaldo most players would look limited in front of the array of talent they have. Yes Walcott is limited if you apply those standards. Its funny how Walcott is called limited by those tv pundits and media journalists cos he cannot dribble. Walcott has added a lot to his game over the years. To call a bloke who has great pace, a knack of timing his runs to perfection, possesses good movement off the ball, has good link up play, has a much better final ball these days which shows in his assists, and is a good finisher which shows in his goal tally.. No offence but its funny how our own supporters lap up the age old spin. He is far for being a complete footballer but offers enough versatility to be not called limited at-least.
No one is comparing him to Ronaldo and Messi.
Even if you compared him to lesser, raw, underdeveloped players it would still hold true.
If there is no space to run in behind his game is nullified, its dependent on the space thats why he is reffered to as limited. Its not about dribbling, sure that may be factored in but it goes beyond that.
The reason he is also labbeled as "inconsistent" is because we wont play against high line opposition everyweek , so when there is space he will thrive as all his positive attributes are geared towards that and when there isnt space he wont effectively contribute to the team play. Not saying he cant score a goal or an assist against teams sitting deep as anyone can score against any opposition at anytime before random stats are drawn up, but his game play and overall contribution is significantly refused.
This is how you get frequent matchday posts of theo hasnt done anything, or hasnt been seen on the pitch, or is even playing, but none of this precludes him of popping up with and assist or goal of course, but it does makes him a limirted footballer in terms of his attributes.