Gooner_Gaz wrote:Anyone think Giroud was quite poor yesterday.....apart from his goal
I do and so far I gave him the worst rating in the rating thread.
by Schlandi » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:37 pm
Gooner_Gaz wrote:Anyone think Giroud was quite poor yesterday.....apart from his goal
by Arsenal~Fanatic » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:53 pm
Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Ramsey is on track to become the next Walcott. No matter what he does he will always be a limited player. Walcott did not win manage to win over a section of fans despite scoring and assisting the most last season so i can see where this is going with Ramsey. Had Ramsey been playing for another club the the same people slagging him would be calling him phenomenal. Ramsey is not a finished product by any standards but the kind of IMPROVEMENT he has shown in his passing/tackling/dribbling/shooting/energy is something i haven't seen in any premier league player in recent times. After his horrific leg break he has shown that when you put your mind to something you can achieve anything.
Walcott is "limited" in term of his footballing attributes
Ramsey is not not.
LOL i would be happy if you were consistent at-least. You defend Giroud [ i am not one of his haters although i think we need better and different] and literally pounce on anybody the moment somebody makes a comment about him being pretty limited which is a fact and say Walcott is limited when he comfortable out-scored and out-assisted Giroud despite not playing centrally. This is why i say one need to apply the same standards to judge players.
When people reffer to Walcott being limited thats what they are talking about, his range and set of attributes.
Iv yet to see people fans and haters alike refer to Ramsey as being limited, he has a lot of criticism but thats not something that bought up and he wont "always be branded a limited player".
Walcott could be the the greatest Wing in the world and the limited tag would still apply, Its not a comment on form, efficiency,team value its a comment on his set of attributes.
by Apollo » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:12 pm
Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Ramsey is on track to become the next Walcott. No matter what he does he will always be a limited player. Walcott did not win manage to win over a section of fans despite scoring and assisting the most last season so i can see where this is going with Ramsey. Had Ramsey been playing for another club the the same people slagging him would be calling him phenomenal. Ramsey is not a finished product by any standards but the kind of IMPROVEMENT he has shown in his passing/tackling/dribbling/shooting/energy is something i haven't seen in any premier league player in recent times. After his horrific leg break he has shown that when you put your mind to something you can achieve anything.
Walcott is "limited" in term of his footballing attributes
Ramsey is not not.
LOL i would be happy if you were consistent at-least. You defend Giroud [ i am not one of his haters although i think we need better and different] and literally pounce on anybody the moment somebody makes a comment about him being pretty limited which is a fact and say Walcott is limited when he comfortable out-scored and out-assisted Giroud despite not playing centrally. This is why i say one need to apply the same standards to judge players.
When people reffer to Walcott being limited thats what they are talking about, his range and set of attributes.
Iv yet to see people fans and haters alike refer to Ramsey as being limited, he has a lot of criticism but thats not something that bought up and he wont "always be branded a limited player".
Walcott could be the the greatest Wing in the world and the limited tag would still apply, Its not a comment on form, efficiency,team value its a comment on his set of attributes.
When you talk about the likes of Messi and Ronaldo most players would look limited in front of the array of talent they have. Yes Walcott is limited if you apply those standards. Its funny how Walcott is called limited by those tv pundits and media journalists cos he cannot dribble. Walcott has added a lot to his game over the years. To call a bloke who has great pace, a knack of timing his runs to perfection, possesses good movement off the ball, has good link up play, has a much better final ball these days which shows in his assists, and is a good finisher which shows in his goal tally.. No offence but its funny how our own supporters lap up the age old spin. He is far for being a complete footballer but offers enough versatility to be not called limited at-least.
by Arsenal Tone » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:14 pm
by Gooner_Gaz » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:57 pm
by Arsenal~Fanatic » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:59 pm
Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Omphi93 wrote:Arsenal~Fanatic wrote:Ramsey is on track to become the next Walcott. No matter what he does he will always be a limited player. Walcott did not win manage to win over a section of fans despite scoring and assisting the most last season so i can see where this is going with Ramsey. Had Ramsey been playing for another club the the same people slagging him would be calling him phenomenal. Ramsey is not a finished product by any standards but the kind of IMPROVEMENT he has shown in his passing/tackling/dribbling/shooting/energy is something i haven't seen in any premier league player in recent times. After his horrific leg break he has shown that when you put your mind to something you can achieve anything.
Walcott is "limited" in term of his footballing attributes
Ramsey is not not.
LOL i would be happy if you were consistent at-least. You defend Giroud [ i am not one of his haters although i think we need better and different] and literally pounce on anybody the moment somebody makes a comment about him being pretty limited which is a fact and say Walcott is limited when he comfortable out-scored and out-assisted Giroud despite not playing centrally. This is why i say one need to apply the same standards to judge players.
When people reffer to Walcott being limited thats what they are talking about, his range and set of attributes.
Iv yet to see people fans and haters alike refer to Ramsey as being limited, he has a lot of criticism but thats not something that bought up and he wont "always be branded a limited player".
Walcott could be the the greatest Wing in the world and the limited tag would still apply, Its not a comment on form, efficiency,team value its a comment on his set of attributes.
When you talk about the likes of Messi and Ronaldo most players would look limited in front of the array of talent they have. Yes Walcott is limited if you apply those standards. Its funny how Walcott is called limited by those tv pundits and media journalists cos he cannot dribble. Walcott has added a lot to his game over the years. To call a bloke who has great pace, a knack of timing his runs to perfection, possesses good movement off the ball, has good link up play, has a much better final ball these days which shows in his assists, and is a good finisher which shows in his goal tally.. No offence but its funny how our own supporters lap up the age old spin. He is far for being a complete footballer but offers enough versatility to be not called limited at-least.
No one is comparing him to Ronaldo and Messi.
Even if you compared him to lesser, raw, underdeveloped players it would still hold true.
If there is no space to run in behind his game is nullified, its dependent on the space thats why he is reffered to as limited. Its not about dribbling, sure that may be factored in but it goes beyond that.
The reason he is also labbeled as "inconsistent" is because we wont play against high line opposition everyweek , so when there is space he will thrive as all his positive attributes are geared towards that and when there isnt space he wont effectively contribute to the team play. Not saying he cant score a goal or an assist against teams sitting deep as anyone can score against any opposition at anytime before random stats are drawn up, but his game play and overall contribution is significantly refused.
This is how you get frequent matchday posts of theo hasnt done anything, or hasnt been seen on the pitch, or is even playing, but none of this precludes him of popping up with and assist or goal of course, but it does makes him a limirted footballer in terms of his attributes.
by DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:20 pm
Gooner_Gaz wrote:Anyone think Giroud was quite poor yesterday.....apart from his goal
by ivan itchybum » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:31 pm
DiamondGooner wrote:Gooner_Gaz wrote:Anyone think Giroud was quite poor yesterday.....apart from his goal
Good 1st half, pretty invisible 2nd half and a few mishaps.
gooney wrote: I will have a bet with anyone who is willing to take Newcastle will finish ahead of us...how about loser leaves the forum?
by Diaby24AFC » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:16 pm
by DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:53 pm
Diaby24AFC wrote:I don't think he was poor. There was not much he could do since the midfield didn't really do much to support him.
Everything depends on the midfield. If they do shite, of course the striker won't have a fantastic match.
by Gooner_Gaz » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:29 pm
Diaby24AFC wrote:I don't think he was poor. There was not much he could do since the midfield didn't really do much to support him.
Everything depends on the midfield. If they do shite, of course the striker won't have a fantastic match.
by starmandb » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:03 am
Plymöuth Gööner wrote:Ramsey this season has shown his ability over a few months, Walcott has never been that consistent.
by mp4eedz » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:27 am
by Massa » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:39 am
starmandb wrote:Plymöuth Gööner wrote:Ramsey this season has shown his ability over a few months, Walcott has never been that consistent.
between sept 15th 2012 and 9th feb 2013
southampton at home to sunderland away
theo played 28 games
scored 18 goals and got 13 assists
he must have been f***ing phenominal in that 1 good game in 10 you claim he has during that period
by Arsenal Tone » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:11 am
starmandb wrote:Plymöuth Gööner wrote:Ramsey this season has shown his ability over a few months, Walcott has never been that consistent.
between sept 15th 2012 and 9th feb 2013
southampton at home to sunderland away
theo played 28 games
scored 18 goals and got 13 assists
he must have been f***ing phenominal in that 1 good game in 10 you claim he has during that period