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Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:12 am

So Ozil rightly condemns China over treatment of the Uighurs...and our club comes out against him for speaking the truth? I guess Chinese TV money and knock off shirt sales are what the club worried about. f**k Kroenke.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby UFGN » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:20 am

Anyone seen the South Park episode, Band in China?

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Re: Shame on our club

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:22 am

Yeah because we're now a political mouth piece for Ozil not a football club ... there is a very good adage which says "Sport and Politics shouldn't mix" but hey we're not winning at football so why not try and influence Chinese politics can't do any worse.

How about you go tell one of your employers biggest suppliers/customers what a bunch of c**** they are - let us know how that works out for you.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:39 am

This is pretty simple .................

Ozil can say what he likes, the club should of just said nothing.

They distanced themselves like some sort of cynical marketing firm and China still refused to air the game so what was the point?

I think they made themselves look worse by releasing a statement, anyone with half a brain know's AFC don't endorse every bit of carbon dioxide that comes out of their players mouths ffs.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:56 am

DiamondGooner wrote:This is pretty simple .................

Ozil can say what he likes, the club should of just said nothing.

They distanced themselves like some sort of cynical marketing firm and China still refused to air the game so what was the point?

I think they made themselves look worse by releasing a statement, anyone with half a brain know's AFC don't endorse every bit of carbon dioxide that comes out of their players mouths ffs.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby Jedi » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:07 am

EliteKiller wrote:Yeah because we're now a political mouth piece for Ozil not a football club ... there is a very good adage which says "Sport and Politics shouldn't mix" but hey we're not winning at football so why not try and influence Chinese politics can't do any worse.

How about you go tell one of your employers biggest suppliers/customers what a bunch of c*** they are - let us know how that works out for you.

"Sports and politics shouldn't mix"

Should we also remove Remembrance day poppies then? Also gonna need to ban those LGBT armbands PL had the other day. 'No to racism' campaign? Has to go, being against racism is politics.

You can't keep your eyes shut while a cultural genocide is happening and characterize it as "just politics". What's the point of even supporting a football club if it doesn't have any basic values? Fvck China and fvck their bans. And for every business entity that caves to China, i wish nothing but the worst.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:21 am

No problem then ... by the way Wolves v Spurs picked up the live game slot ... not sure what's that's worth 200k, 500k 1m? Should that come out of Ozil's salary or are all the season ticket holders happy to swallow that loss ... Oh I forgot, we're not a professional football club were a bunch of political activists, my bad.

FYI - If Ozil wore and unsanctioned Poppy or LGBT armband he'd be fined and then banned - Jedi you knew that right?
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby LMAO » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:29 am

UFGN wrote:Anyone seen the South Park episode, Band in China?

Because Arsenal deserves the same criticism Disney and the NFL have been getting


NBA

But tbf, the NBA walked back its original statement after massive public outrage.

EliteKiller wrote:Yeah because we're now a political mouth piece for Ozil not a football club ... there is a very good adage which says "Sport and Politics shouldn't mix"


Except sports and politics have always mixed. You can't have sports without politics in the real world, so that adage is and will always be fantasy.

In football alone:
Ultra groups
El Clásico (Spanish nationalism vs Catalan nationalism)
Athletic Bilbao (Basque identity)
Old Firm (Catholics vs. Protestants)
Israel being in UEFA
The founding of Inter Milan
Liverpool (left wing, socialism)
St. Pauli vs Hansa Rostock derby (left wing vs right wing)
Beitar Jerusalem (Zionism)
Istanbul Basaksehir (aka Erdogan FC)
Russian and Ukrainian clubs not being allowed to face each other in European tournaments
Corinthians in Brazil (symbol against Brazil's military dictatorship in the 1980s)
Algeria in 1958
El Salvador and Honduras going to war in 1969
Zaire in 1974
Dinamo Zagreb vs Red Star Belgrade in 2000
China vs Japan in 2004
North Korea vs South Korea in 2008
FIFA's "Say No to Racism" campaign
The poppy stuff
Rainbow laces and armbands
and so much more...

EliteKiller wrote:How about you go tell one of your employers biggest suppliers/customers what a bunch of c*** they are - let us know how that works out for you.


Because the Chinese government is clearly the same thing as the Chinese people.

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Re: Shame on our club

Postby Nuggets » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:36 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:So Ozil rightly condemns China over treatment of the Uighurs...and our club comes out against him for speaking the truth? I guess Chinese TV money and knock off shirt sales are what the club worried about. f**k Kroenke.


Perhaps his best mate in the motherland told him to say that. :think:
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:58 am

I agree with EK.

Sports and politics shouldn't mix, individual sportsmen can, but not an actual club.

A clubs fans come in all sorts of political backgrounds but sports is often a place people want to leave all that crap behind for a few hours and just be together as fans.

Clubs shouldn't ram their own political views down peoples throats.

The poppey isn't political, if your English you know that, its about remembering those who died for this country in WWII, many of those were our family members like my Great Grandfather.

The LGBT armband, yeah I don't like it, it smacks of PC pandering, why don't they have an armband for Straight people? ......... because it would be silly, that's how I feel about it vice versa.

The kick out racism isn't about just picking up a political cause, its an issue in Football itself and effects the actual players while their playing for their clubs, as its a football issue not for political reasoning then that one is fine.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby LMAO » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:01 am

Jedi wrote:Fvck China and fvck their bans. And for every business entity that caves to China, i wish nothing but the worst.


Yup. Biggest snowflakes in the world.

Companies are eventually going to have to choose between Western money or Chinese money. But good luck if they choose China because when the housing bubble there bursts, the country is going to collapse spectacularly and there may very well be another civil war. At least then we can hope they embrace democracy for the first time ever (shout-out to Taiwan).
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby Phil71 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:04 am

If I thought my shouting something from the rooftops would harm my employer, I'd refrain from doing it.

If the topic was so important to me that I felt I really had to do it, I'd resign from my position before doing it.

There's no doubt at all Özil will have known this would cause embarrassment and damage to the club. The fact is he doesn't give a shit.

Time to move him on.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:33 am

LMAO wrote: :rolleyes:


So all that boils down to you're OK with Ozil acting against Arsenal's best interests because loads of other people have done it - that's called lemming thinking - just following everyone else.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7795503/Premier-League-clubs-fear-losing-Chinese-millions-broadcaster-CCTV-scraps-coverage.html

If the EPL hang Arsenal out to dry (which they will) just as the NBA did to Huston we could see Ozil costing us 10's of millions, at least he's being consistent. On the positive side we won't have to worry about pre-season tours to Shanghai and Beijing for a few years ...

If you think the Chinese will let this go you're naive - shirts will be burnt, reporting stopped, and sponsorship pulled - the Chinese machine is very good at stirring up a patriotic response to anything they see as damaging to China. CNA in Singapore has a good handle on the Chinese political mindset, be interesting to read there take on this later today.
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Re: Shame on our club

Postby UFGN » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:55 am

DiamondGooner wrote:I agree with EK.

Sports and politics shouldn't mix, individual sportsmen can, but not an actual club.

A clubs fans come in all sorts of political backgrounds but sports is often a place people want to leave all that crap behind for a few hours and just be together as fans.

Clubs shouldn't ram their own political views down peoples throats.

The poppey isn't political, if your English you know that, its about remembering those who died for this country in WWII, many of those were our family members like my Great Grandfather.

The LGBT armband, yeah I don't like it, it smacks of PC pandering, why don't they have an armband for Straight people? ......... because it would be silly, that's how I feel about it vice versa.

The kick out racism isn't about just picking up a political cause, its an issue in Football itself and effects the actual players while their playing for their clubs, as its a football issue not for political reasoning then that one is fine


Lets play spot the mixed race straight bloke

Racism is an issue in football that affects the players while theyre playing for their clubs

But gay players dont exist so homophobia in football doesn't effect them.... its political

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Re: Shame on our club

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:19 am

Snowflake frenzy is upon us .... why the diatribe about racism and homophobia?

The issue is Ozil ignoring his contract and making public statements without the clubs knowledge or permission, comments that he must know will cause damage to Arsenal his employers. It's not about whether you agree with him or not, pretty sure we all agree with him, it's about his disrespectful action. Remember he did the same thing when supporting Erdogan, so it's not as if he didn't know the shit his post would cause.

Whilst of course Ozil has every right to hold opinions on whatever he wants as a high profile player paid 350k a week he does not have the same freedom to say what he wants on social media - this isn't slavery as some snowflake tried to claim - this is simply his contractual obligation.

If he feels that strongly he had two options - tell the club and get their approval - resign from the club and do whatever he wants.

The club, as we have now become spectacularly good at doing, have dithered - we've neither supported Ozil which we could have done - nor taken strong enough action against him to placate the Chinese. If I was Josh Kroenke I'd take this incident as a perfect excuse to tear up the remainder of Ozil's contract and move him on - but I'm biased against him so maybe that's a bit extreme - however this incident won't just go away, believe me we will need to do something or our Asian presence will take a massive hammering, that's the very presence we've spent years very successfully establishing. Ozil's views are not the issue it's his failure to respect club protocol that will hurt us ... and we're not talking three and about sixpence here but many 10's of millions.

As expected the Chinese have reacted very badly -

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/arsenal-mesut-ozil-uighur-xinjiang-china-media-implications-12186850
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