Phil71 wrote:Ukraine is an independent, democratic, sovereign state. It has already had a huge chunk of its country annexed and occupied by Russia (Crimea), and now faces further threat of invasion on its eastern border.
If the west does nothing it will be outrageous. Echoes of the late 1930s. Who is next? He already has Belarus as his puppet state. So to reinforce his 'buffer zone' he could go north to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia?
Crimea isn't important to the US. So what if Russia gets a warm deepwater port at Sevastopol? Their navy still has to go through the Bosphorus (Turkey and Russia have a love-hate relationship so traversing it won't always be a stable option) to get to the Mediterranean and then there are still two bottlenecks (Strait of Gibraltar and Suez Canal) before they reach the open ocean, and all three (Bosphorus, Gibraltar, Suez) can easily be blockaded.
Putin will never go through the Baltic countries. That dream died in 2004 when they joined NATO, and Putin won't risk a war with NATO.
I feel for the people of Ukraine, but the country isn't geopolitically important enough to go to war over (and iirc, Ukraine doesn't want our help beyond selling them weapons). The only countries we'd go to war over are ones we have defense pacts with (Rio Treaty, NATO, Mutual Defense Treaty/EDCA with the Philippines, Mutual Defense Treaty with South Korea, US-Japan Security Treaty) and ones that are geopolitically important to us (such as Taiwan, Australia, and New Zealand). Otherwise, unless Ukraine joins NATO, it's Europe's problem.
DiamondGooner wrote:Phil71 wrote:Ukraine is an independent, democratic, sovereign state. It has already had a huge chunk of its country annexed and occupied by Russia (Crimea), and now faces further threat of invasion on its eastern border.
If the west does nothing it will be outrageous. Echoes of the late 1930s. Who is next? He already has Belarus as his puppet state. So to reinforce his 'buffer zone' he could go north to Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia?
That all belonged to the USSR back in the day.
I mean what do you propose the "West" do anyway, would you see us go to war with Russia over a country thousands of miles away?
The other countries you listed are in the EU so its their problem, nothing to do with us, we all know they'll do nothing.In a way I'd rather it did happen just to show how spineless the EU really is, for all their talk of an EU military etc, not much good if they do nothing.
They'd be our (US and UK) problem too since they're NATO countries.