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Re: British Politics

Postby GunnerRobert » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:34 pm

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GunnerRobert wrote:I do disagree that Boris has done anything at all right now. We haven't left the EU yet, we haven't concluded a trade deal with anyone yet, the only thing we've done is committed to leave in an year, which he will delay for sure because of this Corona virus thing. Not a natural supporter of the Conservatives or Brexit, but I try to be neutral and he hasn't done anything left.

I don't blame him for the Corona thing, but again, I can't give any credit there either, because the UK reacted as badly as everyone else did, so again, no credit to be given, nor any blame since everyone flopped at the pandemic test and none stood up to China when it could have been stopped.

So yeah, I may be a Labour voter and a bit biased, but as a neutral, Boris has neither done good or bad yet, because he's only said he'll do stuff and done absolutely nothing yet.


Actually he got the EU to drop the backstop at least.

Tbf, Theresa May had got the Ireland border thing too, she just thought it was not in our interest. Again, it may or may not be, I have not seen any analysis showing which is better.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:00 pm

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What a stupid thing to say. Of course it matters that what Johnson has done is not what I want. It is the mark of an absolute moron to admire a politician just because they do what they say they will. If what they are doing isn't what I want to happen, of course I want them to fail. You sound like a Trump automaton.


What you are ignoring is that Boris won in a landslide and thus having implemented what he said he would do that does make a huge difference for the majority of Britons. Trump the same in America. The difference is that Boris is indeed a life long politician while Trump was not. That on its face places Boris well up there on the scale of politicians.

As for wanting someone in leadership to fail is really quite bizarre to me. The reality is that there are competing ideas as to make the country in question better for all. Everyone should be able to set aside their concrete tribal thinking and at least hope the person or party elected will succeed because the nation will too. That does not mean simplistically being a f***ing turnip, it means offering up better solutions, working to make the policies on offer better and obviously winning over the electorate by offering those policies for them to take a gander. Demonization...childish really. Civil and respectful disagreement on policy...what democracy is really about.

Could you name a "Trump automaton" for me? Exclude me please, because it is not true. I employ logic and never have hitched my wagon to any politician, but rather to ideals as I suspect you do as well. (The ideals part! :sneaky2: )

As I have had several friends comment, imagine the UK being led by Corbyn now. The nation saw him coming and ran the other way.


Imagine the UK being run by Corbyn now? OK, im imagining him spending shitloads of money, just like Boris is, and all the right wingers crying their eyes out over how irresponsible he was being.

By the way, Boris didn't win a landslide at all. He won 300K more votes than last time, and a majority of 80 is pretty normal.

Trump was not backed by a majority of Americans at all, so your statement there is false.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:00 pm

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Re: British Politics

Postby GunnerRobert » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:02 pm

UFGN wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
What a stupid thing to say. Of course it matters that what Johnson has done is not what I want. It is the mark of an absolute moron to admire a politician just because they do what they say they will. If what they are doing isn't what I want to happen, of course I want them to fail. You sound like a Trump automaton.


What you are ignoring is that Boris won in a landslide and thus having implemented what he said he would do that does make a huge difference for the majority of Britons. Trump the same in America. The difference is that Boris is indeed a life long politician while Trump was not. That on its face places Boris well up there on the scale of politicians.

As for wanting someone in leadership to fail is really quite bizarre to me. The reality is that there are competing ideas as to make the country in question better for all. Everyone should be able to set aside their concrete tribal thinking and at least hope the person or party elected will succeed because the nation will too. That does not mean simplistically being a f***ing turnip, it means offering up better solutions, working to make the policies on offer better and obviously winning over the electorate by offering those policies for them to take a gander. Demonization...childish really. Civil and respectful disagreement on policy...what democracy is really about.

Could you name a "Trump automaton" for me? Exclude me please, because it is not true. I employ logic and never have hitched my wagon to any politician, but rather to ideals as I suspect you do as well. (The ideals part! :sneaky2: )

As I have had several friends comment, imagine the UK being led by Corbyn now. The nation saw him coming and ran the other way.


Imagine the UK being run by Corbyn now? OK, im imagining him spending shitloads of money, just like Boris is, and all the right wingers crying their eyes out over how irresponsible he was being.

By the way, Boris didn't win a landslide at all. He won 300K more votes than last time, and a majority of 80 is pretty normal.

Trump was not backed by a majority of Americans at all, so your statement there is false.

The issue with Corbyn was his competence. The front team was not fit to run the country.

Mind, Raab and co are hardly beacons of competence.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:19 pm

GunnerRobert wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
What a stupid thing to say. Of course it matters that what Johnson has done is not what I want. It is the mark of an absolute moron to admire a politician just because they do what they say they will. If what they are doing isn't what I want to happen, of course I want them to fail. You sound like a Trump automaton.


What you are ignoring is that Boris won in a landslide and thus having implemented what he said he would do that does make a huge difference for the majority of Britons. Trump the same in America. The difference is that Boris is indeed a life long politician while Trump was not. That on its face places Boris well up there on the scale of politicians.

As for wanting someone in leadership to fail is really quite bizarre to me. The reality is that there are competing ideas as to make the country in question better for all. Everyone should be able to set aside their concrete tribal thinking and at least hope the person or party elected will succeed because the nation will too. That does not mean simplistically being a f***ing turnip, it means offering up better solutions, working to make the policies on offer better and obviously winning over the electorate by offering those policies for them to take a gander. Demonization...childish really. Civil and respectful disagreement on policy...what democracy is really about.

Could you name a "Trump automaton" for me? Exclude me please, because it is not true. I employ logic and never have hitched my wagon to any politician, but rather to ideals as I suspect you do as well. (The ideals part! :sneaky2: )

As I have had several friends comment, imagine the UK being led by Corbyn now. The nation saw him coming and ran the other way.


Imagine the UK being run by Corbyn now? OK, im imagining him spending shitloads of money, just like Boris is, and all the right wingers crying their eyes out over how irresponsible he was being.

By the way, Boris didn't win a landslide at all. He won 300K more votes than last time, and a majority of 80 is pretty normal.

Trump was not backed by a majority of Americans at all, so your statement there is false.

The issue with Corbyn was his competence. The front team was not fit to run the country.

Mind, Raab and co are hardly beacons of competence.


I think in many situations he would have been crap but this isn't one of them. I think he would have been OK at dealing with this and I think red John as chancellor right now would have been in his element. But I repeat, imagine those two having to spend money like the Tories are doing right now. All the right wing boys snidely calling for unity and saying the situation is "above politics" would have been chewing their hands off with fury at how Corbyn was wrecking the economy.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Rockape » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:28 pm

:rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.
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Re: British Politics

Postby GunnerRobert » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:29 pm

Corbyn wanted to spend money in good times, which is very different to spending it in times of crisis. We all support paying employees now, doesn't mean that we support some universal basic income in good times.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:46 pm

Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts
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Re: British Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:22 pm

UFGN wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
What a stupid thing to say. Of course it matters that what Johnson has done is not what I want. It is the mark of an absolute moron to admire a politician just because they do what they say they will. If what they are doing isn't what I want to happen, of course I want them to fail. You sound like a Trump automaton.


What you are ignoring is that Boris won in a landslide and thus having implemented what he said he would do that does make a huge difference for the majority of Britons. Trump the same in America. The difference is that Boris is indeed a life long politician while Trump was not. That on its face places Boris well up there on the scale of politicians.

As for wanting someone in leadership to fail is really quite bizarre to me. The reality is that there are competing ideas as to make the country in question better for all. Everyone should be able to set aside their concrete tribal thinking and at least hope the person or party elected will succeed because the nation will too. That does not mean simplistically being a f***ing turnip, it means offering up better solutions, working to make the policies on offer better and obviously winning over the electorate by offering those policies for them to take a gander. Demonization...childish really. Civil and respectful disagreement on policy...what democracy is really about.

Could you name a "Trump automaton" for me? Exclude me please, because it is not true. I employ logic and never have hitched my wagon to any politician, but rather to ideals as I suspect you do as well. (The ideals part! :sneaky2: )

As I have had several friends comment, imagine the UK being led by Corbyn now. The nation saw him coming and ran the other way.


Imagine the UK being run by Corbyn now? OK, im imagining him spending shitloads of money, just like Boris is, and all the right wingers crying their eyes out over how irresponsible he was being.

By the way, Boris didn't win a landslide at all. He won 300K more votes than last time, and a majority of 80 is pretty normal.

Trump was not backed by a majority of Americans at all, so your statement there is false.


OK Ms Clinton. No need to rehash the Constitution. :hiding:
What would Nasri do? Never mind.
What would Eboue do? Fall off the stretcher.
What would Auba do? Just f***ing score.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:00 pm

UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Tony Adams » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:38 pm

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UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
Yeah, he'd have bought 30000 ventilators when we only needed 30 :sneaky:
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Re: British Politics

Postby GunnerRobert » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:39 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
Yeah, he'd have bought 30000 ventilators when we only needed 30 :sneaky:

I'm sure we'd be ordering 30000 ventilators after he'd spunked away cash on free broadband and nationalising everything
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Re: British Politics

Postby Tony Adams » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:41 pm

GunnerRobert wrote:
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Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
Yeah, he'd have bought 30000 ventilators when we only needed 30 :sneaky:

I'm sure we'd be ordering 30000 ventilators after he'd spunked away cash on free broadband and nationalising everything
Free broadband for vulnerable people would be quite useful at the moment tbh
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Re: British Politics

Postby GunnerRobert » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
GunnerRobert wrote:
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Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
Yeah, he'd have bought 30000 ventilators when we only needed 30 :sneaky:

I'm sure we'd be ordering 30000 ventilators after he'd spunked away cash on free broadband and nationalising everything
Free broadband for vulnerable people would be quite useful at the moment tbh

They can apply for UBI and get money in 5 weeks anyway.

If they were working beforehand and not scroungers, they'll have some savings to get by :dontknow:
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Re: British Politics

Postby Tony Adams » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:44 pm

GunnerRobert wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:
GunnerRobert wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Rockape wrote::rolleyes: Mate.....Corbyn was never even a potential PM, so it’s a waste of time trying to hypothesize about it.

However, we are in such unprecedented times, almost like being in a bad dream, that there is really only one course of action, hence the fact that almost every country is taking the same route. On that basis, no PM from any party would be vilified for following that route.


Of course he would have been vilified for it. I don't think some people appreciate quite how f***ked we are financially. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually they decide to do a Cyprus and take money out of peoples accounts


Exactly what Crazy Comrade Corbyn would have done. Thankfully it won't happen. And yes, Red Marxist John would have loved a licence to print money at this time but would have just been a spendthrift on pointless things.
Yeah, he'd have bought 30000 ventilators when we only needed 30 :sneaky:

I'm sure we'd be ordering 30000 ventilators after he'd spunked away cash on free broadband and nationalising everything
Free broadband for vulnerable people would be quite useful at the moment tbh

They can apply for UBI and get money in 5 weeks anyway.

If they were working beforehand and not scroungers, they'll have some savings to get by :dontknow:
I mean vulnerable people with no contact to the outside world. I am a teacher, all of our lessons are being taught online for the foreseeable future. I know some of our most vulnerable students don't have internet access. Then there's the elderly who are completely isolated.

Free wifi now should be seen as free tv licenses were ten years ago imo
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