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Re: British Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:53 am

UFGN wrote:
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EliteKiller wrote:Gotta luv the moronic generalizations ... it's not even Kindergarten level ... basement dwellers will be trolls I guess

Average age of a Tory party member 57 - Average age of a Labour party member 53 ... four year's difference, which is about the same as some poster's mental age ...

Percentage of Tory party members who are women 29%

So the offensive sexist ageist bollocks was all lies ... what a surprise

There's plain stupid, and then there's super stupid .... think we can all spot the super stupid one today ..... no names of course - but arsehole is a big clue.


Haven't you choked to death on Tory cock yet?

Or you been too busy using your x-ray specs to look through the ignore filter that you supposedly put me on?

By the way, nice try at the trademark bullshit stats but

Tory members are also older than the members of most other parties. True, their average age may "only" be 57, but this disguises the fact that four out of 10 are over 65


Whats surprising is, after looking at more information im not only right, but the lack of representation doesn't stop with age. 86 per cent are considered well off, 97 per cent are white and the vast majority live in the south east

More elderly men than elderly women though

So stop crying over the truth


Fella - you are falling into the trap of being divided by utter nonsense.
Tory this, labour that, remain this, leave that. It's all BS.

Simply put, the majority of the people who took the time to vote, voted to leave the EU. Every single person in this country should be aligned to that. Those that are not are really on the wrong side of the debate.

I don't particularly like Boris, but at least he seems clear that we need to be leave the EU and honour the referendum.


Used to agree with you re respecting the referendum result. I don't anymore because ive seen absolutely NOTHING positive come out of whats happened so far

Thete are NO positive outcomes to look forward to from Brexit. Only negative

I would also remind you that Nigel Farage doesn't respect the referendum result. Before the vote he said if he lost by 2pc he would carry on campaigning and,demand another referendum

Stands to reason he must agree with a rerun because remain lost by 2pc


The negatives in the last 2-3 years have everything to do with bickering and idiotic politicians, most of which are actually not doing what their constituents told them to do. It's pure propaganda to associate the screw up by politicians with the vote or impact of Brexit. I've heard a lot of that - "oh look at the mess in parliament, best we stay in the EU". Of all the nonsense I have heard from remainers, that line of reasoning is probably the most scummy of all. Don't be one of those guys. People see right through it.

As for Farage, are you saying you align yourself to whatever he believes? I doubt it... Don;t worry about what he or any other politician thinks. Their job is not to debate leaving or staying, it's to leave.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:18 pm

It goes beyond whats happened in Parliament

Im yet to see a single actually positive outcome identified from brexiteers. Nothing. Negatives.....hell yes. They'll talk negatively all day long. But what is going to come out of it that is ACTUALLY BETTER AND NOT JUST SWIMMING HARD TO STAY STILL?

Nothing.

And Farage is relevant. You know why.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:42 pm

LoL - yet to see a single actually positive outcome identified from remainers

See we can all post biased nonsense, the worry is some people actually believe the what they post is true ...

Both sides have legitimate arguments and both sides have endlessly promoted these arguments ... you'd have to have a skull two foot thick not to have heard every argument by now ... heard someone claim that Leave were negative, even though it's Remain adopting Project Fear who say the UK will collapse if we aren't in the EU ... hard to get that the wrong way round yet still some people do.

Stick with the facts - we had a Referendum Leave won - I believe you will find that Leave are happy with that and it's Remain who are whining like stuck pigs ...

Politicians have failed to deliver Brexit - that's on them - but that doesn't change the referendum result, no matter how many times Remainers claim that somehow it does ... we will get Brexit or perhaps we won't ... endless abuse and insane rambling won't change that only parliament can decide.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:03 pm

UFGN wrote:It goes beyond whats happened in Parliament

Im yet to see a single actually positive outcome identified from brexiteers. Nothing. Negatives.....hell yes. They'll talk negatively all day long. But what is going to come out of it that is ACTUALLY BETTER AND NOT JUST SWIMMING HARD TO STAY STILL?

Nothing.

And Farage is relevant. You know why.


But they've not been given the floor to actually prove their comments.

All they have had a chance to do is provide populist soundbites from the sidelines ........... which currently are working.

Do you know why? because Leave have not since the result been put under the microscope in a position of power where they actually have to not just answer but show / prove they can do as they say.

If Boris gets into power the first question by the nation will be .......... "So now what Boris?".

1 - How do we solve the Irish border in a No Deal?

2 - Who are we going to create new trade deals with and under what terms?

3 - What deal are we going to have with the EU, you said we could leverage a better deal, can we do that?

4 - What's the forecast for the economy after a No Deal?

etc etc etc

Let Leave have their say from a position of being actually accountable, because once they're running the gov't they can't just rely on May for answers.

Scrutiny is what's been missing and its why Leave are growing in strength.

........... because everyone just see's Remainer's as sabotaging Brexit, trying to make sure it doesn't work, not letting Leave get on with it and basically conspiring against the peoples referendum.

If Boris can't successfully prove his claims then Leaves support will dwindle, especially among the middle ground voters like me who vote on proof and information, not agenda.

There's a saying "If the odds are against you, change the equation".

Remain have been butting heads against the odds for far too long to the point they now just look like enemies of democracy .......... they need to switch tactics and fast, stop telling people how bad things will be in a Brexit (everyone know's they don't want through bias) and let Leave take centre stage and let them fry under the spotlights.

Its the only way to get the neutral majority on side.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:27 pm

I don't share your optimism that they'll be held to account

Theres a strong wrecker mentality in a lot of Brexit supporters. They dont care if things are worse after Brexit as long as they get their brexit

And the Leave politicians have had plenty of stages, plenty of airtime and used all of it to talk absolute bollocks. You can't say they haven't had a chance to be heard

They wont grant another referendum under any circumstances. They will lose support so it wouldn't fit with THEIR agenda
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:32 pm

UFGN wrote:I don't share your optimism that they'll be held to account

Theres a strong wrecker mentality in a lot of Brexit supporters. They dont care if things are worse after Brexit as long as they get their brexit

And the Leave politicians have had plenty of stages, plenty of airtime and used all of it to talk absolute bollocks. You can't say they haven't had a chance to be heard

They wont grant another referendum under any circumstances. They will lose support so it wouldn't fit with THEIR agenda


The only chance you have of avoiding Brexit is May committing constitutional sabotage in her last days (like Obama did for Trump) in approving the 3rd runway at Heathrow and then revoke Article 50 on her last day.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:39 pm

UFGN wrote:I don't share your optimism that they'll be held to account

Theres a strong wrecker mentality in a lot of Brexit supporters. They dont care if things are worse after Brexit as long as they get their brexit

And the Leave politicians have had plenty of stages, plenty of airtime and used all of it to talk absolute bollocks. You can't say they haven't had a chance to be heard

They wont grant another referendum under any circumstances. They will lose support so it wouldn't fit with THEIR agenda


Again your not seeing the bigger picture.

That wreck it mentality of Brexiteer's is because they plug their ears to Remainer noise, they don't believe you so won't listen because they don't trust that Remainer's were ever going to deliver it........people don't believe the enemy.

The even bigger picture is the middle ground voter, "we" don't have a wreck it mentality, we're also the majority who decides elections.
You don't need every rabbit breeder Brexiteer from the estates of Scunthorpe to vote Remain .......... you need the 7 million or so voters who can be swayed.

Not all people who may of voted for Leave are frothing at the mouth skinheads from the back streets of Lincolnshire, I'd say half or a strong quarter of Leave were middle ground voters who can be swayed once they see Leave can't deliver, especially on economy.

Middle ground voters don't vote on agenda, they vote on employment, economic wealth etc so they can pay for their families.

Remain ignores the everyday man and always focuses on putting down Far Right whistlers and Tin foil hat wearers, missing a massive trick.

At this point Remain have even pissed off Middle ground voters so the best thing to do is stand aside and let Leave get on the hot spot and trip over their own laces in front of millions of voters.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:42 pm

I don't see why people are trying to talk down Britain so much. We can live with a No Deal BREXIT. It's time we got on with it. Once the EU sees we're serious about No Deal, they'll come begging to us offering free trade deals.

Unless you want that lunatic socialist communist Corbyn to turn us into Venezuela, and make Britain an antisemitic country.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:02 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:I don't share your optimism that they'll be held to account

Theres a strong wrecker mentality in a lot of Brexit supporters. They dont care if things are worse after Brexit as long as they get their brexit

And the Leave politicians have had plenty of stages, plenty of airtime and used all of it to talk absolute bollocks. You can't say they haven't had a chance to be heard

They wont grant another referendum under any circumstances. They will lose support so it wouldn't fit with THEIR agenda


Again your not seeing the bigger picture.

That wreck it mentality of Brexiteer's is because they plug their ears to Remainer noise, they don't believe you so won't listen because they don't trust that Remainer's were ever going to deliver it........people don't believe the enemy.

The even bigger picture is the middle ground voter, "we" don't have a wreck it mentality, we're also the majority who decides elections.
You don't need every rabbit breeder Brexiteer from the estates of Scunthorpe to vote Remain .......... you need the 7 million or so voters who can be swayed.

Not all people who may of voted for Leave are frothing at the mouth skinheads from the back streets of Lincolnshire, I'd say half or a strong quarter of Leave were middle ground voters who can be swayed once they see Leave can't deliver, especially on economy.

Middle ground voters don't vote on agenda, they vote on employment, economic wealth etc so they can pay for their families.

Remain ignores the everyday man and always focuses on putting down Far Right whistlers and Tin foil hat wearers, missing a massive trick.

At this point Remain have even pissed off Middle ground voters so the best thing to do is stand aside and let Leave get on the hot spot and trip over their own laces in front of millions of voters.


And wheres the opportunity to hold them to account going to come from?

Boris shat his keks last time he ran for PM because he knows he's full of it. He still knows it. He wont ever give voters s chance to hold him to account
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:28 pm

UFGN wrote:And wheres the opportunity to hold them to account going to come from?

Boris shat his keks last time he ran for PM because he knows he's full of it. He still knows it. He wont ever give voters s chance to hold him to account


The opportunity in gaining more voters for Remain than Leave...............???

We have possible general elections, possible 2nd referendums and more importantly for Remain, Parliament need the public's backing if they want to derail Brexit without being seen as traitors and more heroes, not "some backing" but a full majority.

Also this has an effect on the EU and how they play this game, if they see the public have changed their mind they can make things difficult for Leave, if Leave had a majority backing then there's no point, the EU may as well come to an agreement with us.

Leave would be totally paralyzed without the publics support, if public opinion turns against Leave then they won't be able to get anything through Parliament, Cons worried about votes will start buckling their support and it will bolster any moves Remain makes.

Without that support i,e currently, Remain just look like a bunch of referendum blocking c*nts.

........... that's the opportunity.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:35 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:And wheres the opportunity to hold them to account going to come from?

Boris shat his keks last time he ran for PM because he knows he's full of it. He still knows it. He wont ever give voters s chance to hold him to account


The opportunity in gaining more voters for Remain than Leave...............???

We have possible general elections, possible 2nd referendums and more importantly for Remain, Parliament need the public's backing if they want to derail Brexit without being seen as traitors and more heroes, not "some backing" but a full majority.

Also this has an effect on the EU and how they play this game, if they see the public have changed their mind they can make things difficult for Leave, if Leave had a majority backing then there's no point, the EU may as well come to an agreement with us.

Leave would be totally paralyzed without the publics support, if public opinion turns against Leave then they won't be able to get anything through Parliament, Cons worried about votes will start buckling their support and it will bolster any moves Remain makes.

Without that support i,e currently, Remain just look like a bunch of referendum blocking c*nts.

........... that's the opportunity.


October 31st

Not enough time for Boris to sufficiently f**k up

He could simply go for no deal
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:58 pm

UFGN wrote:
October 31st

Not enough time for Boris to sufficiently f**k up

He could simply go for no deal


OMG did you learn nothing from the last deadline?

Parliament will block no deal and the EU will accept more "cash for extension" especially if they see a shift, they don't want No Deal either.

The only way No Deal can happen is if the EU reject an extension and Parliament can't (somehow) force Boris to abandon it, imo I actually don't even think Boris wants No Deal .......... he wants a deal because it'll make things easier, he just acts tough because he's trying to "scare" the EU.

The situation is exactly the same as it was ......... hence why I want Boris in to tip the apple cart and get to a conclusion.

Either way without majority support Remain are screwed, it always baffles me have the Left side of politics has such bad peoples skills .......... even when it benefits them to do so.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:01 pm

And the Tory Muslim Forum spokeswoman said that she'll resign if Boris becomes PM because he is "like Hitler".

Now aside of the fact that is an argumentum ad Hiterum fallacy, Boris has not murderered anyone nor has has a hatred for Jewish people and hasn't done anything Hitleresc. I really find it pathetic when people put out the Hitler accusations in politics and to be fair, if that is the level of the Tory muslim group leader then losing her won't be that big a loss to the muslims in the Tory party.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Maybe now that we’ve got someone who won’t drink tea with the EU and lick their arses we might get something moving and put and end to this embarrassing affair one way or another.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:And the Tory Muslim Forum spokeswoman said that she'll resign if Boris becomes PM because he is "like Hitler".

Now aside of the fact that is an argumentum ad Hiterum fallacy, Boris has not murderered anyone nor has has a hatred for Jewish people and hasn't done anything Hitleresc. I really find it pathetic when people put out the Hitler accusations in politics and to be fair, if that is the level of the Tory muslim group leader then losing her won't be that big a loss to the muslims in the Tory party.


Boris is a penis and a potential disaster in the making ......... however I agree with you, the Hitler comparisons along with the Nazi screaming at protests against Brexiteer's is beyond the pale.

Do these fk heads even know what a Nazi is / was and what Hitler is / was?

They killed millions of people and organised mass culls of Jews, that type of name calling is quite frankly fkin childish, poor form and makes the accusers look like a freak, not worth paying attention to.

As someone who studies history I am aware more than most of what a massacre entails and I find it offensive that people would correlate a vote for simply leaving the EU with being a mass murderer by people who are out of touch with reality and sensationalist.

The day of naming and shaming in the media and online has lost its substance because its been diluted to the point you can't take it seriously.

Racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobe .............. its just boring now, people have stopped listening.

Defeat the argument, don't try to shout it down with "shame" tactics, it doesn't work and it hasn't for quite some time.
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