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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:59 pm

If the Irish really don't want the border, they won't put one up.

They'll be faced with the question: what's more important, peace and freedom of movement on the island of Ireland, or the orders of the bloody minded bureaucrats in Brussels?
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:58 pm

Phil71 wrote:If the Irish really don't want the border, they won't put one up.

They'll be faced with the question: what's more important, peace and freedom of movement on the island of Ireland, or the orders of the bloody minded bureaucrats in Brussels?


Its not up to them when the EU has their hand up their arses.

Remember when your in the EU your trade and border procedures are controlled by their laws not your own.

E.g its why Britain can't control or make our own international deals without EU approval, if your in the EU your subject to their regulations.

This is the stick the EU think they can use to beat us with, we could just sack off the "Good Friday" agreement but UFGN would be in meltdown that one of his Project Fear scenarios didn't have any effect.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:02 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If the Irish really don't want the border, they won't put one up.

They'll be faced with the question: what's more important, peace and freedom of movement on the island of Ireland, or the orders of the bloody minded bureaucrats in Brussels?


Its not up to them when the EU has their hand up their arses.

Remember when your in the EU your trade and border procedures are controlled by their laws not your own.

E.g its why Britain can't control or make our own international deals without EU approval, if your in the EU your subject to their regulations.

This is the stick the EU think they can use to beat us with, we could just sack off the "Good Friday" agreement but UFGN would be in meltdown that one of his Project Fear scenarios didn't have any effect.


Bloke who knows F all about polotics, doesn't vote, and doesn't know about current affairs because he's too busy "having a life" thinks the Good Friday Agreement is just a throwaway thing

Note: I will dig up posts if I have to. Including you backing May as PM, me telling you you shouldn't because she's awful for civil rights, then a while later you having a meltdown over the snoopers charter and claiming you were far too busy to know anything about it..... a guy with that level of attention to detail doesn't give a shit about the Good Friday Agreement

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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:08 am

May lied to everyone, even the Leaver's backed her, so what?

You support a broken two MP's Lib Dem party, good luck with that.

Also you can keep banging on about Good Friday and its armageddon esque significance all you like but the fact is I'm saying I don't believe it would go back to the killings and bombings, that's just empty threats.

All the Irish terrorists are either in jail, too long in the tooth or dead, the new lot don't believe in the cause like the old guard from the 70's and 80's.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:17 am

DiamondGooner wrote:May lied to everyone, even the Leaver's backed her, so what?

You support a broken two MP's Lib Dem party, good luck with that.

Also you can keep banging on about Good Friday and its armageddon esque significance all you like but the fact is I'm saying I don't believe it would go back to the killings and bombings, that's just empty threats.

All the Irish terrorists are either in jail, too long in the tooth or dead, the new lot don't believe in the cause like the old guard from the 70's and 80's.


There are murals all over Belfast with slogans such as "prepared for peace, ready for war"

They are new murals, not relics

If you think they're a joke go over there and paint over one. Good luck getting home with no kneecaps
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:30 am

It's pathetic when an entire country needs to bow down to a 'few murals' .... frankly the whole Irish issue is just smoke and mirrors .... the real issue is the border between the UK and the EU in the event of no trade deal .... it so happens that this border might split Ireland, that's down to the EU and the RoI not the UK government ....

If you believe that a republican army campaign should be the key concern in Brexit then you're about as deluded as they are .... the Good Friday agreement has put an end to that possibility, a return to violence won't be tolerated by the Irish, Northern or Southern ....

In an era when terrorists threats are sadly a daily occurrence a few brainwashed micks won't get very far .... remember they were the ones who asked for peace when 'shoot to kill' started taking out their main men, in the end the IRA was little more than drug dealing, mafia, wanabees ... f**k 'em

Yes there are plenty of 'tough drinking united Ireland' old gits down the pub, but just like the hooligans of the '80's they're just noisy old fools with their handful of young pretenders, they don't recognize that the world has moved on ....

The UK will not be held to ransom by a few Irish throwbacks .... if the RoI are so worried about that let them go running to the EU .... just because the DUP have a few votes should not make it the UK's main issue ....
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:52 am

EliteKiller wrote:It's pathetic when an entire country needs to bow down to a 'few murals' .... frankly the whole Irish issue is just smoke and mirrors .... the real issue is the border between the UK and the EU in the event of no trade deal .... it so happens that this border might split Ireland, that's down to the EU and the RoI not the UK government ....

If you believe that a republican army campaign should be the key concern in Brexit then you're about as deluded as they are .... the Good Friday agreement has put an end to that possibility, a return to violence won't be tolerated by the Irish, Northern or Southern ....

In an era when terrorists threats are sadly a daily occurrence a few brainwashed micks won't get very far .... remember they were the ones who asked for peace when 'shoot to kill' started taking out their main men, in the end the IRA was little more than drug dealing, mafia, wanabees ... f**k 'em

Yes there are plenty of 'tough drinking united Ireland' old gits down the pub, but just like the hooligans of the '80's they're just noisy old fools with their handful of young pretenders, they don't recognize that the world has moved on ....

The UK will not be held to ransom by a few Irish throwbacks .... if the RoI are so worried about that let them go running to the EU .... just because the DUP have a few votes should not make it the UK's main issue ....


As usual it's all about how you wish things were, not how they actually are.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:06 am

Funny how all the corrupt fools in the right wing MSM suddenly think that PC language is important after all because Jeremy Corbyn called May a "stupid woman"

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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:08 am

UFGN wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:May lied to everyone, even the Leaver's backed her, so what?

You support a broken two MP's Lib Dem party, good luck with that.

Also you can keep banging on about Good Friday and its armageddon esque significance all you like but the fact is I'm saying I don't believe it would go back to the killings and bombings, that's just empty threats.

All the Irish terrorists are either in jail, too long in the tooth or dead, the new lot don't believe in the cause like the old guard from the 70's and 80's.


There are murals all over Belfast with slogans such as "prepared for peace, ready for war"

They are new murals, not relics

If you think they're a joke go over there and paint over one. Good luck getting home with no kneecaps


New murals? it doesn't make you a tough guy because you did a bit of graffiti.

Fact of the matter is all of Ireland's youth of today are busy selling drugs, do you honestly think they're going to stop driving their BMW's and buying their side pieces jewellery from Argos to go and fight a war because some 80 yr old ex IRA old man tells them to?

Its a new day.

What next UFGN, are the Italian Mafia going to come back as well? the IRA are a shell of their former selves and they simply don't have the numbers anymore who grew up in the turbulent political times of the 70's and 80's and believed in the cause.

They'll be too busy on Facebook and Tinder.

Either way its not going to happen anyway so put your panties back on.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:11 am

UFGN wrote:As usual it's all about how you wish things were, not how they actually are.


No mate .... we've just seen through the utter bullshit 'fear' tactics .... make up as many 'frightening' scenarios as you like .... your audience is now bored of the fool who cried wolf just a few too many times .....

No food, no flights, no jobs, IRA bombers on the streets .... is that how things 'actually are' or just maybe you are the one who is making it all up as you go along?
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Re: British Politics

Postby LMAO » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:59 am

No deal and there won't be a border to worry about.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:54 am

My thoughts are that the Republican terrorist organisations still have the wherewithal to commit atrocities. So do the Loyalists. That shouldn't be doubted.

But as I've said before, the IRA would have no cause to attack the UK, because we wouldn't be giving them any reason to. We're not proposing to renege on a single line of the GFA.

This is being made into an issue by the EU. They have the power to take it off the table. They are indirectly using the threat of a sectarian paramilitary war as a lever in their political games, and that is an underhand tactic.

All things considered, what the EU should have made a number one priority from day one, was that this should not have been made into an issue.

It seems they value protecting their own bloated and corrupt organisation above peace in Northern Ireland.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:08 am

Any "terrorist" movement/organization gather momentum when extraneous circumstances, beyond the control of the ordinary people, bring unjustified hardships and pressures upon general populous of a region.


Such hardships and pressures can include but are not limited to:
Political Absolutism and Authoritarianism
Religious Subjugation
Economic Poverty
Social Injustice


A customs border between Ireland and the UK will certainly bring about one of the above, with the rest following suit shortly after I should imagine, just like it did through the hot points of the past. Should there be a customs border, strands 2 & 3 of the Good Friday agreement become null and void, thus the whole treaty becomes null and void too.


Once the treaty is dead, it means the end of:

Consent principle
Self-determination in NI
Decommissioning of weapons
Bill of Rights in NI
Abandonment of violence
Inter-governmental co-operation (which includes things like security, criminal investigations etc etc)
Recognition of both identities
Institutional role for the RoI
Power-sharing
Devolution of powers


Not to mention the end of inter-island commerce that will cripple both the North and the South economically.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:19 am

LMAO wrote:No deal and there won't be a border to worry about.



This is the exact reason why people who claim the Republicanism and Loyalism in NI has died should stop dreaming and wake up.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:24 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:As usual it's all about how you wish things were, not how they actually are.


No mate .... we've just seen through the utter bullshit 'fear' tactics .... make up as many 'frightening' scenarios as you like .... your audience is now bored of the fool who cried wolf just a few too many times .....

No food, no flights, no jobs, IRA bombers on the streets .... is that how things 'actually are' or just maybe you are the one who is making it all up as you go along?


Cried wolf? Every single thing I predicted would be a problem is right now actually a problem.
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